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Color me shocked that we didn't get the real story at first.
How many times is the story going to change?
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bignflnut wrote:Color me shocked that we didn't get the real story at first.
How many times is the story going to change?
Will we EVER get the real story? At least one "alternative" news web-site is claiming the security guard was the "second shooter". All we are missing (so far) is a grassy knoll.
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techmike wrote:
bignflnut wrote:Color me shocked that we didn't get the real story at first.
How many times is the story going to change?
Will we EVER get the real story? At least one "alternative" news web-site is claiming the security guard was the "second shooter". All we are missing (so far) is a grassy knoll.
When I first saw this change in the story, the FIRST thing that occurred to me was that the guard was somehow involved, even if not as a shooter.
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Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."
Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html

I thought the police arrived after the shooting had concluded?
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scottb wrote:
Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."
Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html

I thought the police arrived after the shooting had concluded?
Everything still shows they did. The problem is it took them 19 minutes to get there and on the 32nd floor. My guess, some panic in the hotel and the first two officers on scene had to take the stairs vs elevators. Imagine running up 32 flights of stairs? I couldn't do it without the gun belt on and can only imagine how much harder with a gun belt.
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Unsurprisingly given the public’s voracious appetite for news about the investigation, more details emerged early Wednesday, when it was revealed that Paddock had used the freight elevator at Mandalay Bay in the days ahead of the attack. And in the latest sign that Paddock had hoped to maximize casualties during his rampage, police have revealed that fired special ‘incendiary’ bullets at a jet fuel tank, probably in the hopes of causing a massive explosion. Authorities had said earlier that he fired two conventional rounds at the tank, but failed to penetrate it.

The rounds, meant to ignite what they hit, were found inside Paddock's room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and near the fuel tank a short distance away on the grounds of McCarran International Airport, the sources said. Of course, this highlights a major inconsistency in the official narrative that needs to be addressed: If Paddock clearly intended to cause as much harm as possible, then why did he stop firing after just 11 minutes?

So, the question remains. What inspired a wealthy real-estate investor and accountant with no criminal history, and only glancing brushes with mental illness (though some have speculated that he may have been an undiagnosed schitzophrenic judging by his tendency to talk to apparently imaginary figures) to carry out the worst mass shooting in US history?

And, while police have been quick to discredit video evidence appearing to show shots being fired from a lower floor, Lombardo’s remark that Paddock “must’ve had help” continues to resonate.
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I wonder who was looking for what ? (had to put my tin foil hat on :) )

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JediSkipdogg wrote:
scottb wrote:
Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."
Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html

I thought the police arrived after the shooting had concluded?
Everything still shows they did. The problem is it took them 19 minutes to get there and on the 32nd floor. My guess, some panic in the hotel and the first two officers on scene had to take the stairs vs elevators. Imagine running up 32 flights of stairs? I couldn't do it without the gun belt on and can only imagine how much harder with a gun belt.
Why not take the elevator to the 33rd floor, and then walk down? Or maybe even try to access the room from above, if the shooting was still going on? If not, create a false noise distraction in the hall?

In the future, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more use of robots in these type of situations, and I don't mean just with a camera either.
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M-Quigley wrote:Why not take the elevator to the 33rd floor, and then walk down? Or maybe even try to access the room from above, if the shooting was still going on? If not, create a false noise distraction in the hall?

In the future, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more use of robots in these type of situations, and I don't mean just with a camera either.
Ever been to a Las Vegas hotel elevator? Good luck at getting them to come to you in less than 5 minutes. Then stopping at nearly every other level. Sure, running stairs is slow, but police don't have fire emergency elevator keys. So they can't easily override the controls.

And maybe they did take the elevator and that was why it took 19 minutes for them to respond. I imagine they were on scene pretty fast, less than 5 minutes. And the rest of the time took getting to the floor.
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In one of the most shocking developments to emerge in the week-and-a-half since Stephen Paddock killed 59 people and wounded more than 500 others during the worst mass shooting in US history, NBC is reporting that a maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside Mandalay Bay before Paddock began firing on the Harvest country music festival below.

Worker Stephen Schuck told NBC News that he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard Paddock shoot security guard Jesus Campos in the leg. After the shooting, Campos peeked out from an alcove and told Schuck to take cover.

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The police's latest timeline means it took 19 minutes for Las Vegas police to learn where the fire was coming from, information that Schuck had already relayed to hotel dispatchers.

In an audio recording of Schuck's dispatch call released by NBC earlier today, Paddock's first shots into the hallway are clearly audible.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:
M-Quigley wrote:Why not take the elevator to the 33rd floor, and then walk down? Or maybe even try to access the room from above, if the shooting was still going on? If not, create a false noise distraction in the hall?

In the future, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more use of robots in these type of situations, and I don't mean just with a camera either.
Ever been to a Las Vegas hotel elevator? Good luck at getting them to come to you in less than 5 minutes. Then stopping at nearly every other level. Sure, running stairs is slow, but police don't have fire emergency elevator keys. So they can't easily override the controls.

And maybe they did take the elevator and that was why it took 19 minutes for them to respond. I imagine they were on scene pretty fast, less than 5 minutes. And the rest of the time took getting to the floor.
In this particular case I'm leery of imagining anything. I'd rather have the actual facts, but some of those keep changing with every news cycle. :roll:
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Now, just days later, police have again changed their timeline, clarifying that Paddock did not actually shoot Campos six minutes before the rampage began.

The Chicago Tribune reports that amid claims from the MGM Hotel Group that contradict the second timeline offered Monday, authorities altered their sequence of events.

The Tribune noted that “new questions surrounding the shooting have centered on the law enforcement response and the timeline, which had been changed multiple times and challenged by MGM Resorts International, the Mandalay Bay’s owner.”

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Either way, the jumbled timeline continues to draw questions and skepticism, exacerbated further by reports at the end of this week that Campos ‘disappeared’ shortly before he was scheduled to appear at a press conference on Thursday.

The report is circulating mostly in right-wing corners of the news media; it was reported by Fox News and has been re-reported by several other right-leaning outlets. The general story appears to have been confirmed by ABC journalist Stephanie Wash, who tweeted Thursday evening: “Media scrum tonight as we learn security officer shot in Vegas attack, Jesus Campos’ whereabouts are unknown.”

Media scrum tonight as we learn security officer shot in Vegas attack, Jesus Campos’ whereabouts are unknown. pic.twitter.com/Jk09tRlPsX

— Stephanie Wash (@WashNews) October 13, 2017

“Jesus Campos was set to do 5 intvs tonight per union president, but they’ve lost contact. ‘We were in a room & we came out & he was gone,’” she also tweeted.
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Campos has been located, he's on Ellen.
By all accounts, Jesus Campos has not disappeared. He’s landed on Ellen DeGeneres’ couch.

The 25-year-old had been dodging reporter interviews. Signs outside his east valley home still read, “NO TRESPASSING” and “NO MEDIA ON PROPERTY.”

But the Mandalay Bay security guard whom a gunman shot in the leg Oct. 1 before opening fire on a nearby country music festival crowd continues to stay in contact with his employer, and police don’t consider him missing.
Now we're going to get to the bottom of this event.
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bignflnut wrote:Campos has been located, he's on Ellen.
By all accounts, Jesus Campos has not disappeared. He’s landed on Ellen DeGeneres’ couch.

The 25-year-old had been dodging reporter interviews. Signs outside his east valley home still read, “NO TRESPASSING” and “NO MEDIA ON PROPERTY.”

But the Mandalay Bay security guard whom a gunman shot in the leg Oct. 1 before opening fire on a nearby country music festival crowd continues to stay in contact with his employer, and police don’t consider him missing.
Now we're going to get to the bottom of this event.
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I'm going out on a limb here and speculate that maybe Campos is an illegal alien. :?
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