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MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn firearm

Postby Bruenor » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:54 pm

As much as I believe no training should be required to exercise your 2A rights, we have people pulling stupid stunts like this, that provide fodder for those on the other side of the argument. The lack of a training requirement doesn't mean you should skimp on training both in marksmanship, as well as legal matters surrounding the proper application of self defense.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-n ... 2120-story

"One girl was going to buy a notebook. There was one left, some pushing resulted," Baetens says. "They began to argue who was the rightful purchaser of that notebook."

Both duos of women were not backing down, as police and witnesses described the two women pulling the younger woman's hair. That mother got shoved out of the way as the three continued to fight. That mother then pulled out a gun.

"She's a valid CPL holder," Baetens says. "She pulled out her firearm and tells them to stop attacking her daughter while pointing the gun at them."


Really ? a sale on a stupid notebook computer and you get into a physical altercation that escalates to pulling a firearm ? Idiots..
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby techmike » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:55 pm

Bruenor wrote:
Really ? a sale on a stupid notebook computer and you get into a physical altercation that escalates to pulling a firearm ? Idiots..


Agreed. But, Detroit.
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby M-Quigley » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:55 am

Bruenor wrote:As much as I believe no training should be required to exercise your 2A rights, we have people pulling stupid stunts like this, that provide fodder for those on the other side of the argument. The lack of a training requirement doesn't mean you should skimp on training both in marksmanship, as well as legal matters surrounding the proper application of self defense.


The training requirement didn't seem to help this woman, or did they change Michigan law?

http://www.michigan.gov/mcoles/0,4607,7 ... --,00.html
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby hall1343 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:51 am

No matter how much training... you simply can't fix "stupid".
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby bignflnut » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:55 am

American Society isn't exactly giving out lessons on DE-escalation like water (sorry Flint/Texas/Louisiana).
Many, however, are well versed in screaming obscenities and getting theirs.
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby gilly32 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:03 am

Last line in the article....

In the end, Baetens says he's unsure who got the notebook.
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby Bruenor » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:05 pm

M-Quigley wrote:
Bruenor wrote:As much as I believe no training should be required to exercise your 2A rights, we have people pulling stupid stunts like this, that provide fodder for those on the other side of the argument. The lack of a training requirement doesn't mean you should skimp on training both in marksmanship, as well as legal matters surrounding the proper application of self defense.


The training requirement didn't seem to help this woman, or did they change Michigan law?

http://www.michigan.gov/mcoles/0,4607,7 ... --,00.html


Looks to me like the same minimal requirements Ohio has, NRA Firearms safety course. that course and reading through the AG's handbook hardly constitutes adequate training. more like just checking the box. Training, check !. so I doubt she got much if any guidance if that is the only course she took.
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby DontTreadOnMe » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:55 pm

Bruenor wrote:As much as I believe no training should be required to exercise your 2A rights, we have people pulling stupid stunts like this, that provide fodder for those on the other side of the argument. The lack of a training requirement doesn't mean you should skimp on training both in marksmanship, as well as legal matters surrounding the proper application of self defense.

I think you're being quick to assume the CPL holder acted improperly. The police haven't charged her yet. We don't know whether she was involved the instigating the fight, and although it's a silly thing to fight over, before the gun was drawn it escalated to a 2-on-1 fight.

I'm not saying that it was justified, but it could have been, especially if the young woman were knocked to the ground and the other 2 continued to hit her.
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby Bruenor » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:26 pm

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Bruenor wrote:As much as I believe no training should be required to exercise your 2A rights, we have people pulling stupid stunts like this, that provide fodder for those on the other side of the argument. The lack of a training requirement doesn't mean you should skimp on training both in marksmanship, as well as legal matters surrounding the proper application of self defense.

I think you're being quick to assume the CPL holder acted improperly. The police haven't charged her yet. We don't know whether she was involved the instigating the fight, and although it's a silly thing to fight over, before the gun was drawn it escalated to a 2-on-1 fight.

I'm not saying that it was justified, but it could have been, especially if the young woman were knocked to the ground and the other 2 continued to hit her.


it takes two to argue, being armed isn't it better to just walk away if things are turning ugly ? it's possible there was no other choice, but I can't think of any sale item in a store I'd get into an argument with someone over, even if it was the last one.
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Re: MI - Back to school sale results in fight and drawn fire

Postby true_pair » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:18 am

The way I read it is that the argument began and escalated to an assault. The mother got shoved out of the way and it became a 2 on 1 fight. She drew the gun to stop the assault NOT to take the notebook. As the article says she drew the gun and said stop attacking my daughter. Besides joining the fight I'm not sure what other choice she had
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