Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not all

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Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not all

Postby M-Quigley » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:37 pm

Allegedly the suspended Euclid cop was forced to resign by Mentor PD for lying, but that didn't stop Euclid from hiring him. (not confirmed if Euclid PD knew of this however)

http://fox8.com/2017/08/23/euclid-offic ... stigation/

http://fox8.com/2017/08/15/iteam-mentor ... to-resign/

http://fox8.com/2017/08/17/euclid-frate ... est-video/

Police say Officer Michael Amiott also must undergo retraining, and he has been removed from the SWAT team.

A week ago, Amiott arrested Richard Hubbard III after a traffic stop.

Police video and citizen cell phone video shows the stop exploded into a violent struggle. Police said Hubbard resisted arrest. He is facing charges tied to the struggle and driving with a suspended license.


Amiott got hired in Euclid after resigning from Mentor Police just before getting fired there for lying about a traffic stop.

A crowd of angry citizens filled a meeting at Euclid City Hall this week demanding reform in the police department.

Hubbard goes to court Thursday on his charges. And his attorney says he is also exploring a civil suit.


“After reviewing the internal investigation, listening to the interviews and watching the complete video I made the determination that Ptl. Amiott made a false statement in his police report,” stated Chief Kevin Knight, in a letter dated April 3, 2014. “At no time from the moment Plt. Amiott pulled out to follow the vehicle in question until it was stopped did I observe anything closely remote to weaving.”

The letter further stated that when Amiott was told by the Mentor chief that his employment would end, he asked if he could resign and the city agreed.

According to files, Amiott was asked why he initiated a traffic stop on Feb. 22, 2014 in Mentor. He first told a sergeant he made the stop because the car did not have a front plate. When his supervisor told him a car with a dealer plate does not have to have a front plate, he then said the car was weaving. It is not known if Euclid police knew about this case when he was hired as a patrol officer.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby sd790 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:26 pm

What does this have to do with Concealed Carry?
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby Brian D. » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:03 pm

sd790 wrote:What does this have to do with Concealed Carry?


I think it fits this section's parameters better than anywhere else except maybe Jeff Kirchner's Korner. Certainly not a taboo for the forums in general.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby sd790 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:07 pm

So it has nothing to do with concealed carry.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby M-Quigley » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:10 pm

sd790 wrote:What does this have to do with Concealed Carry?


Read the description of the news section.

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There have been other cases of alleged police misconduct posted here. As always, just because it's in the news doesn't mean it's true, just an allegation. Regarding this posting, the accusation of lying can possibly be relevant to armed citizen encounters with police because some in some interactions there is no video or audio. There is a mistaken belief with some people that all cops are generally honest and tell the truth. (most are, but not all) The jury that recently acquitted the cop who shot and killed a legal concealed carry holder probably held this view.

Also, something in one of the links reminded me of a police CCW notification encounter. When I once relayed a story that had been told to me by a LEO, the person who I told this to thought it wasn't possible, because the cop in question should've learned about notification in academy training (yes he should have) But then when the cop in the OP was caught lying, he should've known about dealer plates also. Heck, I knew this even before academy training.

According to files, Amiott was asked why he initiated a traffic stop on Feb. 22, 2014 in Mentor. He first told a sergeant he made the stop because the car did not have a front plate. When his supervisor told him a car with a dealer plate does not have to have a front plate, he then said the car was weaving.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby Brian D. » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:13 pm

Thanks M-Q, I was about to post the same thing regarding this section's parameters. It seems to be within the foul lines, sd790.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby sd790 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:33 pm

Fair enough. I just asked a simple question. I figured that if I join a forum about concealed carry that the threads would be about, well, concealed carry. If we like to create threads here to bash police by discussing the bad apples, then I will just move along. Perhaps we can start a whole forum section about bad cops just to make the threads easier to find. Maybe we can call it antifa just for kicks.

I apologize for my snark today.

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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby TJW815 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:02 pm

I agree, there has been a large amount of police bashing posts lately.

One might think we should be trying to get the police on our side instead of finding every opportunity to bash them.

What do I know though.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby M-Quigley » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:26 pm

So if a cop is in the news, accused of wrongdoing, that's considered cop bashing? If a concealed carry holder or home owner is arrested related to an alleged defensive gun use, and the story is posted here, is that bashing all legal gun owners?

I fully support the majority of honest law abiding cops who follow the rules and do their job to the best of their abilities. If one is accused of wrongdoing, they should have the same rights as anyone else accused of wrongdoing. My support is not blind however.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby Mustang380gal » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:45 pm

M-Quigley wrote:So if a cop is in the news, accused of wrongdoing, that's considered cop bashing? If a concealed carry holder or home owner is arrested related to an alleged defensive gun use, and the story is posted here, is that bashing all legal gun owners?


As this post was presented, it is not cop bashing, and the responses have not crossed the line, either. However, there are a fair number of times when threads do take a pretty negative tone.

We all should know that people are capable of pretty bad behavior, no matter one's profession. So I am not entirely sure what purpose pointing out a bad cop serves, as opposed to bad nurses, or accountant, or anything else.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby Brian D. » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:08 pm

As to the particulars of this story, you'd have a heckuva time convincing me that Euclid PD didn't know about the track record of a person they hired from a department 14 miles away. Non-disclosure, sealed records, etc. doesnt keep people in the same professions from talking with each other.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby deanimator » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:14 am

Mustang380gal wrote:We all should know that people are capable of pretty bad behavior, no matter one's profession. So I am not entirely sure what purpose pointing out a bad cop serves, as opposed to bad nurses, or accountant, or anything else.

When's the last time a "bad nurse" or "bad accountant" rammed three cars, shot one TOTALLY innocent person and injured two others because he or she was "scared", and not only didn't get prosecuted, or even arrested, but wasn't even fired, even though they were on the clock when they did it?

Is it REALLY a good idea for people with that degree of power over the rest of us to be totally immune from public scrutiny or criticism? Police unions think so.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby Mustang380gal » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:09 am

deanimator wrote:
Is it REALLY a good idea for people with that degree of power over the rest of us to be totally immune from public scrutiny or criticism? Police unions think so.


Point conceded. Accountability is a good thing. But lumping good in with the bad is not helpful.

A question I have, and probably best answered by an HR person is: could Mentor have told Euclid about the guy's past, or could they only give dates of service? I remember hearing that details about a personnel file were not supposed to be disclosed, and if they are, then the city opens itself up to a suit.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby deanimator » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:20 am

Mustang380gal wrote:But lumping good in with the bad is not helpful.

Unfortunately, the 'good' usually stand shoulder to shoulder with the bad, hence the ruling that the Chicago PD has a 'blue wall of silence'.
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Re: Euclid cop suspended for excessive force, and that's not

Postby techguy85 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:30 am

Mustang380gal wrote:
deanimator wrote:
Is it REALLY a good idea for people with that degree of power over the rest of us to be totally immune from public scrutiny or criticism? Police unions think so.


Point conceded. Accountability is a good thing. But lumping good in with the bad is not helpful.

A question I have, and probably best answered by an HR person is: could Mentor have told Euclid about the guy's past, or could they only give dates of service? I remember hearing that details about a personnel file were not supposed to be disclosed, and if they are, then the city opens itself up to a suit.

I always hear that is a law but can never find it anywhere. And in my experience, at least when I've called the right people at a previous employer, is if you ask the right questions you'll get honest answers.
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