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caller reporting rape shot by police while on phone w/them

Postby Bruenor » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:24 pm

There's no amount of spin....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -RAPE.html
On Saturday night, Damond had called 911 to attend a noise and possible assault in the alley, and was reportedly speaking to the two officers through the drivers side window when the officer in the front passenger seat shot her through the drivers side door.

Mohammed Noor shot Justine Damond, 40, who was wearing pajamas, multiple times from the passenger seat of his squad car while she spoke to his colleague on the drivers side in a back alley.

Both officer's bodycams were off and the squad car camera not recording when Damond - who was in her pajamas - was killed at around 11.30pm on Saturday, just a month before she was due to marry.

They have admitted that no weapons were recovered from the scene and according to the Star Tribune witnesses to the shooting have described Damond approaching the police cruiser in the alley behind her house.
She was holding her cell phone and talking to an officer on the drivers side before she was shot.
The only concrete statement the BCA has made so far is to confirm that 'At one point an officer fired their weapon, fatally striking a woman'.
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Re: caller reporting rape shot by police while on phone w/th

Postby deanimator » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:28 am

Bruenor wrote:There's no amount of spin....

Come on, there's ALWAYS spin!

In this case, I'm sure there'll be more spin than a pulsar has...
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Postby Javelin Man » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:12 am

He shot through the car door 2 to 3 times and the bullets still had strength to kill. That teaches us how much cover a door gives. I also imagine you're not going to be ask the driver anything until his hearing comes back.

The shooter has had three complaints and a lawsuit filed on him in his two years on the force.

Another "Shoot first for officer safety" shooting. :roll:
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Postby AlanM » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:11 am

One report I read said he shot through the open driver's side window.
Which sort of means the driver is now deaf.
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Postby Brian D. » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:43 am

I've read a lot about this today. Right now I see no reasonable defense for the officer's actions. None, nada, zilch.
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Postby Face » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:15 pm

I saw a post elsewhere with the Minneapolis PD's equipment. Was curious what firearm they were issues. Turns out - NONE. They must use their own, purchased weapon, from a short list of allowed ones. Sig320, Glocks, S&W MP for newer officers, and ones hired before 2015 (or so) can continue to use from some other list that I did not see.

Is this common elsewhere? Wonder how training comes into play between different weapons? Of course, they must qualify with it, but we are all aware of what that can mean, good or bad.

Some are trying to play the "race card" - the officer was Somali but arrived in the US at a young age.
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Postby Tru-Heathen » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:45 pm

Brian D. wrote:I've read a lot about this today. Right now I see no reasonable defense for the officer's actions. None, nada, zilch.


I'm sure his imam could list a few.
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Re: caller reporting rape shot by police while on phone w/th

Postby deanimator » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:49 pm

Tru-Heathen wrote:
Brian D. wrote:I've read a lot about this today. Right now I see no reasonable defense for the officer's actions. None, nada, zilch.


I'm sure his imam could list a few.

We're likely to see the rare confluence of narratives: islamists and police unions on the same side...
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Postby JediSkipdogg » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:04 pm

Brian D. wrote:I've read a lot about this today. Right now I see no reasonable defense for the officer's actions. None, nada, zilch.


I'm with you and supposedly the PD is saying they don't see how it's good either, but aren't coming out with full details yet. Just interesting though that since she was white, no riots.

Face wrote:I saw a post elsewhere with the Minneapolis PD's equipment. Was curious what firearm they were issues. Turns out - NONE. They must use their own, purchased weapon, from a short list of allowed ones. Sig320, Glocks, S&W MP for newer officers, and ones hired before 2015 (or so) can continue to use from some other list that I did not see.

Is this common elsewhere? Wonder how training comes into play between different weapons? Of course, they must qualify with it, but we are all aware of what that can mean, good or bad.

Some are trying to play the "race card" - the officer was Somali but arrived in the US at a young age.



It's more common than you would think. A lot of smaller departments that can't afford everything do this. It could also be a case of they are given a weapons allowance annually and they select their own. I know of one department around Cincinnati that gives officers something like $500 every four years and says they can buy their own from an pretty large approved list. That way the officer is most comfortable shooting what he/she desires and also they can replace or maintain the weapon every four years. I personally prefer that method as it gives the officer the most flexibility and not everyone will shoot a Glock or M&P perfect.
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Postby deanimator » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:17 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:I'm with you and supposedly the PD is saying they don't see how it's good either, but aren't coming out with full details yet.

Has the union weighed in yet?

Given that the union in the Kinsey case has come out in full throated support of the cop who shot Charles Kinsey, I have no doubt that the union in this case will find SOME justification for this shooting, regardless of any objective facts.
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Postby carmen fovozzo » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:39 pm

I can see it now....itchy figure thought the phone was a gun..
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Postby JediSkipdogg » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:39 pm

deanimator wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:I'm with you and supposedly the PD is saying they don't see how it's good either, but aren't coming out with full details yet.

Has the union weighed in yet?

Given that the union in the Kinsey case has come out in full throated support of the cop who shot Charles Kinsey, I have no doubt that the union in this case will find SOME justification for this shooting, regardless of any objective facts.


The police union and the Somali American Police Association, both of which he was a member of, have both declined to comment until the investigation is complete.
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Postby deanimator » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:46 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:The police union and the Somali American Police Association, both of which he was a member of, have both declined to comment until the investigation is complete.

How bad does it have to look in order for the union not to reflexively support the cop?
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Postby M-Quigley » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:51 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:
Brian D. wrote:I've read a lot about this today. Right now I see no reasonable defense for the officer's actions. None, nada, zilch.


I'm with you and supposedly the PD is saying they don't see how it's good either, but aren't coming out with full details yet. Just interesting though that since she was white, no riots.


No riots, but there are people in Australia who are blaming this on lack of gun control laws. :roll:
This despite the fact that Australian cops carry guns. The theory is the Australian cops aren't so quick on the trigger from fear of getting shot by criminals as much as American cops. So basically it's the NRA or other law abiding gun owners fault, because if guns were outlawed, the American criminals would quit carrying them too, and everybody would be safer. :roll:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/au ... 565d8c6c07

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis ... n-culture/
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Postby Mr. Glock » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:55 pm

Brings a different spin to checking white privilege.
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