Officer down civilian down .I have a problem..

carmen fovozzo · Post by **carmen fovozzo** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:47 pm

I know this has been discussed many times here and on social media...

Some one explain to me why it is a heroic thing to help a officer that is about to be killed by someone and not very smart to help a civilian that is about to be killed by someone ?

I was brought up that all life is equal and deserve equal protection..sure we have the standard avoidance senerio and it's meaning....be a good witness while someone gets killed...none of our business, it will cost you a lot of money..

I see no difference.....someone about to be killed should expect help no matter who it is...

Javelin Man · Post by **Javelin Man** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:55 pm

We're supposed to understand the officer is the good guy in the situation and help him. With civilians, you may come into the situation halfway through and find the victim is finally fighting back enough to save his own life which might result in the BG losing his. You may not know enough of the situation to know who is who.

That's about the only reason I can see.

But you make a good point about saving the good guy no matter what. You just need to know who he/she is.

carmen fovozzo · Post by **carmen fovozzo** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:06 pm

So if it's the BG about to be killed, let's say in a street fight with no weapons, it's okay to not help in some way ?

glocksmith · Post by **glocksmith** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:22 pm

carmen fovozzo wrote:Some one explain to me why it is a heroic thing to help a officer that is about to be killed by someone

Umm...that's a subjective thing. One person might think it heroic...another might think it idiotic. Just sayin

carmen fovozzo · Post by **carmen fovozzo** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:37 pm

glocksmith wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:Some one explain to me why it is a heroic thing to help a officer that is about to be killed by someone
Umm...that's a subjective thing. One person might think it heroic...another might think it idiotic. Just sayin

True...any moral person would call it a brave thing to do...I can't answer for anyone else....

My Son is a Leo so I am trying to understand someone not helping in any case with someone about to get killed....

glocksmith · Post by **glocksmith** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:05 pm

carmen fovozzo wrote:
glocksmith wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:Some one explain to me why it is a heroic thing to help a officer that is about to be killed by someone
Umm...that's a subjective thing. One person might think it heroic...another might think it idiotic. Just sayin

True...any moral person would call it a brave thing to do...I can't answer for anyone else....

Morals are subjective too.

jeep45238 · Post by **jeep45238** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:19 pm

You can never know the full context of a situation unless you're involved from inception. With a uniformed official, you have more context than without.

No thanks.

WestonDon · Post by **WestonDon** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:19 pm

Are we talking about using deadly force to "help" another? Since we are discussing this on a firearms forum I believe so. Since most of us would be armed any altercation we are involved in is an armed altercation. There is at least the potential for deadly force. Regardless of the moral issues, Ohio law really discourages citizens from helping one another in this context. Maybe that causes more harm than good, maybe not. I think our laws regarding defense of others could be improved.

"No good deed shall go unpunished"....(unknown)

qmti · Post by **qmti** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:19 pm

WestonDon wrote:Are we talking about using deadly force to "help" another? Since we are discussing this on a firearms forum I believe so. Since most of us would be armed any altercation we are involved in is an armed altercation. There is at least the potential for deadly force. Regardless of the moral issues, Ohio law really discourages citizens from helping one another in this context. Maybe that causes more harm than good, maybe not. I think our laws regarding defense of others could be improved.

"No good deed shall go unpunished"....(unknown)

Unfortunately it's that damn liability thing that raises it's ugly head when it comes to protecting another citizen. It's little more clear when a LEO is under attack and you help out.

Post by **schmieg** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:38 pm

You step into the shoes of the person you are helping. If he started the altercation, you lose.

It becomes less clear if the person you are helping started the altercation, but the victim then takes it to a higher level.

Unless you know for sure what is going on, the best thing to do is to be a good witness and call 911.

CroManGun · Post by **CroManGun** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:39 am

carmen fovozzo wrote:So if it's the BG about to be killed, let's say in a street fight with no weapons, it's okay to not help in some way ?

If the BG is about to be killed, don't interfere! Karma will take care of the situation.

jeep45238 · Post by **jeep45238** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:26 am

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One of many examples of why not to get involved. Sorry, but mine and me are the only ones I'm sticking my neck out for no matter the situation. A uniform could hedge the bet a bit, but I don't get paid to fight crime and the city isn't going to pay for any damages/lost wages/death that I go through to take care of my family.

carmen fovozzo · Post by **carmen fovozzo** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:24 am

I''v asked this question before. How would you be if someone was attacking your wife or kids ans no one helped ? Just stood by...we see this all the time..

glocksmith · Post by **glocksmith** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:26 am

jeep45238 wrote:One of many examples of why not to get involved. Sorry, but mine and me are the only ones I'm sticking my neck out for no matter the situation. A uniform could hedge the bet a bit, but I don't get paid to fight crime and the city isn't going to pay for any damages/lost wages/death that I go through to take care of my family.

Ditto to what jeep said. This ain't the Greatest Generation any more...where you are a hero if you sacrifice yourself for country or others. Self preservation is the Highest Law...which is to say I only care about me and mine.

carmen fovozzo · Post by **carmen fovozzo** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:44 am

glocksmith wrote:
jeep45238 wrote:One of many examples of why not to get involved. Sorry, but mine and me are the only ones I'm sticking my neck out for no matter the situation. A uniform could hedge the bet a bit, but I don't get paid to fight crime and the city isn't going to pay for any damages/lost wages/death that I go through to take care of my family.
Ditto to what jeep said. This ain't the Greatest Generation any more...where you are a hero if you sacrifice yourself for country or others. Self preservation is the Highest Law...which is to say I only care about me and mine.

I I I....generation....right there is the problem..sure we take care of our family...so if it isn't you're family who cares .

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