Czech republic moves toward constitutional right to bear arm

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Czech republic moves toward constitutional right to bear arm

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Nice to see there another country out there that gets it..
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06 ... bear-arms/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The legislation was passed with 139 deputies agreeing to the amendment to the constitution with only nine deputies voting against. The amendment will now be considered by the Czech Senate where it will require a supermajority of three-fifths of the members in order to pass into law, Die Presse reports.

Similar to the U.S. second amendment to the Constitution, which gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms, the Czech legislation reads: “Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, retain and bear arms and ammunition.”

The amendment also notes that the right is there to ensure the safety of the country, similar to the provision of a “well-regulated militia” in the American amendment.
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Interesting article only complaint would be the "...Similar to the U.S. second amendment to the Constitution, which gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms, the Czech legislation reads: “Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, retain and bear arms and ammunition.” line. Specifically the "...gives Americans..." part. The 2nd is not a grantor of anything; it is an acknowledgement and reminder of existing rights.

Here's wishing them the best of luck.
Bruenor wrote:Nice to see there another country out there that gets it..
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06 ... bear-arms/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The legislation was passed with 139 deputies agreeing to the amendment to the constitution with only nine deputies voting against. The amendment will now be considered by the Czech Senate where it will require a supermajority of three-fifths of the members in order to pass into law, Die Presse reports.

Similar to the U.S. second amendment to the Constitution, which gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms, the Czech legislation reads: “Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, retain and bear arms and ammunition.”

The amendment also notes that the right is there to ensure the safety of the country, similar to the provision of a “well-regulated militia” in the American amendment.
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Well, they are on the right track here but I think they could use a little help from some crusty old RKBA advocates here in the good ol' US of A.

One thing they did right is to specify the right applied to citizens. But then those citizens still have to obtain a weapons permit. Therein lies the seeds of their own destruction. It looks like the Czech proposal contains some of the same flaws we have in our own 2A, which is why the 2A is constantly being challenged and litigated.

Of course my comments are all based on information in the posted article which may or may not be accurate.
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The permit may be a device to restrict immigrants and refugees (ie the jihadis and criminals among them). Notice that the article also touched on the EU immigration issues in addition to firearms restrictions.
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catfish86 wrote:The permit may be a device to restrict immigrants and refugees (ie the jihadis and criminals among them). Notice that the article also touched on the EU immigration issues in addition to firearms restrictions.
And the UN's Arms Trade Treaty that the EU signed onto, which is one of the reasons for the push for the amendment to their constitution, so they can't be forced to disarm. Interesting the several countries over there that are pushing back.
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The Czechs and Poles already have abundant first hand experience in what happens when you rely upon the western Europeans for your safety.
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deanimator wrote:The Czechs and Poles already have abundant first hand experience in what happens when you rely upon the western Europeans for your safety.
Can't say I blame them. As the headquarters of the so-called globalists, the EU is dangerous, and a threat to world peace. I used to think that Valdimir Putin and the Russian leadership were little more than tough-talking belligerents. Now I understand their positioning and I can even sympathize with them.
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deanimator wrote:The Czechs and Poles already have abundant first hand experience in what happens when you rely upon the western Europeans for your safety.
Can't say I blame them. As the headquarters of the so-called globalists, the EU is dangerous, and a threat to world peace. I used to think that Valdimir Putin and the Russian leadership were little more than tough-talking belligerents. Now I understand their positioning and I can even sympathize with them.
Especially with regard to immigration, the former Warsaw Pact members of the EU are in the same position as some suddenly reluctant members of Jim Jones' "People's Temple".

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This thread was started 4 years ago.
Update 7/21/21

The right to bear arms in self-defense is embedded in the Czech constitution
The Senate, the upper house of Czech parliament, has approved the right to use arms to defend oneself and others.

Prague, July 21 (CTK) - The Senate, the upper house of Czech parliament, has approved the right to use arms to defend oneself and others under legal conditions to be embedded in the constitution as a reaction to the EU's pro-regulatory stance on firearms acquisition and possession.

This right was included in the Senate-proposed amendment to the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms, which is part of the constitution. Senators, therefore, passed the amendment as expected.
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Is there any count of countries that have a right to bear and keep arms?
I am answering my own question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_ ... _bear_arms

There were three with a Constitutional right. Now four. The others are Mexico and Guatemala but they are subject to regulations which render it an absurdity. That is a lesson we should be aware of when the left spouts about "reasonable regulation".

I saw a Colin Noir commentary where he made the point that, Yes, the arms of the day were muskets but that was what the military was also armed with. To truly follow that analogy we should continue to have the arms our military does. I want my M60.
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catfish86 wrote:Is there any count of countries that have a right to bear and keep arms?
I am answering my own question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_ ... _bear_arms

There were three with a Constitutional right. Now four. The others are Mexico and Guatemala but they are subject to regulations which render it an absurdity. That is a lesson we should be aware of when the left spouts about "reasonable regulation".

I saw a Colin Noir commentary where he made the point that, Yes, the arms of the day were muskets but that was what the military was also armed with. To truly follow that analogy we should continue to have the arms our military does. I want my M60.
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The Czechs probably remember the takeover of the Sudetenland, followed by the rest of their country in WWII. There are, no doubt, a lot of people still alive who can remember the Prague Spring of 1968.

Similar to our country, their "second amendment" was not drafted for hunting. They remember the brutal realities of the past like our forefathers remembered the terrors of British oppression.
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