Facebook Killing Suspect Had CHL

[gilly32]

According to Cleveland police, Steve Stephens had a valid concealed handgun license.

More fodder for the anti's.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... has_1.html

[Brian D.]

It seems that well over half the time such a claim is made, it turns out to be incorrect. And of course, no retraction from ANYBODY later on. We shall see. But, Ohio has issued closing in on 600,000 CHL's now right? A small handful will doubtless end up doing something awful over such a long period of years.

[Bruenor]

Interesting that 'the police said' he had a concealed carry permit.. wouldn't you have to ask the sheriff ?
I guess the police could have asked the sheriff, then relayed the info to the plain dealer.

Once he starts murdering people though, the permit is kind of irrelevant.

[JediSkipdogg]

Interesting that 'the police said' he had a concealed carry permit.. wouldn't you have to ask the sheriff ?
I guess the police could have asked the sheriff, then relayed the info to the plain dealer.

Once he starts murdering people though, the permit is kind of irrelevant.

Why would the police need to ask anyone? If my department arrests you for failure to notify, we release that to the media, the sheriff was never involved in the process. Since the law doesn't say it's protected info, anyone in law enforcement has access to the info and can release it if it possibly pertains to the case if it's included in an investigative narrative somewhere.

[DontTreadOnMe]

Why would the police need to ask anyone? If my department arrests you for failure to notify, we release that to the media, the sheriff was never involved in the process. Since the law doesn't say it's protected info, anyone in law enforcement has access to the info and can release it if it possibly pertains to the case if it's included in an investigative narrative somewhere.

Since only a CHL holder actually carrying a firearm has a duty to notify the only (well, most likely) way an officer would know to charge someone with failure to notify is if the person provides that info themselves. That's not the case here. CDP (I think that's the abbrev. they use) would have had to get it from the Sheriff's office directly or through LEADS or something similar. My understanding is that 2923.129 specifies that information is not public record.

[M-Quigley]

If someone implies this is a reason not to have legal concealed carry, ask them to give up their drivers license. After all, the guy that 3 months ago killed 5 and injured over 20 people with a car had a valid drivers license, along with all the other car drivers that have committed serious crimes. (and yes this was an intentional act)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/asia/melbourne-car-crash/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All a CHL shows is someone took a little training and (at the time of the application) passed a basic background check. The background check doesn't mean that they're a good person, only that they haven't been caught and convicted of certain offenses. Even if the person was a good person at the time they applied, (which this guy seemed to be from the news accounts) it's not a guarantee someone won't turn bad later on. The same was true of a certain cop in a nearby dept. that I once knew. He was a good guy until he started committing thefts one day, and then eventually got caught.

A DL or a CHL isn't a guarantee of future behavior. Not having a legal means of concealed carry only prevents the law abiding from being able to defend themselves against people like this guy. The CHL is only a license to carry, not a license to kill. This guy didn't need a CHL to carry anyway for the purpose of murder. If the guy with the car or the guy with the gun cared about a penalty for violating some license law, they wouldn't have committed what is essentially first degree murder in the first place.

[Bruenor]

Interesting that 'the police said' he had a concealed carry permit.. wouldn't you have to ask the sheriff ?
I guess the police could have asked the sheriff, then relayed the info to the plain dealer.

Once he starts murdering people though, the permit is kind of irrelevant.

Why would the police need to ask anyone? If my department arrests you for failure to notify, we release that to the media, the sheriff was never involved in the process. Since the law doesn't say it's protected info, anyone in law enforcement has access to the info and can release it if it possibly pertains to the case if it's included in an investigative narrative somewhere.

Guess I didn't think of the obvious where it comes up when they run a plate or license.. not being anywhere near Leos guess I just don't know what all systems that info is recorded in.

[cashman966]

Interesting that 'the police said' he had a concealed carry permit.. wouldn't you have to ask the sheriff ?
I guess the police could have asked the sheriff, then relayed the info to the plain dealer.

Once he starts murdering people though, the permit is kind of irrelevant.

Why would the police need to ask anyone? If my department arrests you for failure to notify, we release that to the media, the sheriff was never involved in the process. Since the law doesn't say it's protected info, anyone in law enforcement has access to the info and can release it if it possibly pertains to the case if it's included in an investigative narrative somewhere.

2923.129 doe specify that the information made available by the Sheriff is confidential and not public record.

2923.129(D) Law enforcement agencies may use the information a sheriff makes available through the use of the law enforcement automated data system pursuant to division (H) of section 2923.125 or division (B)(2) or (D) of section 2923.1213 of the Revised Code for law enforcement purposes only. The information is confidential and is not a public record. A person who releases or otherwise disseminates this information obtained through the law enforcement automated data system in a manner not described in this division is guilty of a violation of section 2913.04 of the Revised Code.

[WhyNot]

Is the CHL plastic square a talisman?

''When he took the CHL talisman from over his heart & into his wallet, it lost it's magical effects.''

[Chuck]

Is there a person alive who thinks that if this guy DIDN'T have his handgun license he never would have killed anybody?

[deanimator]

Is there a person alive who thinks that if this guy DIDN'T have his handgun license he never would have killed anybody?

The gun and CHL were to him like Stormbringer to Elric. They just possessed him. He had no choice...

[Brian D.]

Is there a person alive who thinks that if this guy DIDN'T have his handgun license he never would have killed anybody?

Sadly, Chuck, I've met people who "connect the dots" EXACTLY that way. If they're over say thirty years old I don't waste much time trying to straighten them out.

[bignflnut]

If someone implies this is a reason not to have legal concealed carry, ask them to give up their drivers license.

Better yet, let's be rid of both and focus the government on catching lawbreakers, putting them to death swiftly, if the crime warrants such punishment. Imagine the savings if we were able to shut down BMVs in each county and set up a few more courtrooms.

[bignflnut]

Steve Stephens, the suspect in the Cleveland, Ohio, Facebook killing, shot and killed himself after a brief pursuit in Erie County, Pennsylvania, this morning, the Pennsylvania State Police said.

[Javelin Man]

Steve Stephens, the suspect in the Cleveland, Ohio, Facebook killing, shot and killed himself after a brief pursuit in Erie County, Pennsylvania, this morning, the Pennsylvania State Police said.

He should have posted it live....