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DC "Road Rage" one punch kill

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But Desmond Joseph, 41, was in a work zone and apparently had trouble reaching the space he needed. Witnesses told police that he got out of the truck and started tossing aside orange traffic cones blocking the way. It was Thursday about 3:40 p.m.

A construction worker confronted Joseph and an argument turned into a single punch to the head, D.C. police said. Knocked unconscious, Joseph was put on life support.

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Police said the construction worker, Paul Kenneth Hagans, 36, who lives in Upper Marlboro, Md., was charged with aggravated assault, filed before Joseph had died. Authorities said on Monday that additional charges are pending a review by the U.S. attorney’s office. Hagans’s attorney, John J. Carney, called the incident “a real sad situation” but declined to comment on specifics of the case.
Neither NICS, metal detectors, nor all them fancy "licensing laws" could stop this death...

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My CHL class instructor told one student that he could not legally shoot someone who had him pinned down and was "wailing on him". I disagreed at the time and still do. Punches can kill. There have been other documented cases in recent years - a foreigner visiting NYC hit his head on the pavement after being knocked down by a single punch. That is why I would not hesitate to throw lead at someone trying to punch my lights out. One can reasonably argue in court that they feared for their life...citing the above case. At least that's how I see it.
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Here's a link to the story:


http://wapo.st/2lONkeg
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re; ''...who had him pinned down and was "wailing on him..."

That's a force multiplier and IMHO changes the victim's response options significantly

In any event, very sad a guy went to work one day just trying to make an honest living and boom.
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WhyNot wrote:In any event, very sad a guy went to work one day just trying to make an honest living and boom.
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I guess I left the story with a different impression. Both sounded like bleepin jerks. One too good to abide by the orange barrels that the rest of society has to grudgingly contend with...the other a dangerous hothead. Hopefully the puncher gets the book thrown at him - assault with intent to commit murder or something to that effect. Situation win-win?
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glocksmith wrote:
WhyNot wrote:In any event, very sad a guy went to work one day just trying to make an honest living and boom.
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I guess I left the story with a different impression. Both sounded like bleepin jerks.
“Desmond was an excellent worker and a wonderful person,” Sulekoiki said. “I was almost paralyzed when I heard what happened.”

Lisa Joseph said her husband “probably got agitated” because the cones were in the way of “where he normally parks per instruction of his supervisor.”

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“He had a very generous heart,” Lisa Joseph said, adding that it was what sold her on her husband. “He came to this country treating everyone the same. Desmond befriended anybody.”
Except, apparently, the guy who punched his ticket.
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Everybody loves you when you're dead. Just like the recently deceased pants-half-down gang-bangers with the corn rows are always great guys who'd do anything for you...they just happened, (according to their friends and family speaking to the news camera) to be in the wrong place at the wrong time :roll:
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FWIW, I spend a lot of time in one of those zones. I can understand a fight ensuing. Some idiot that can't wait a minute and moves some barrels just intentionally risked the lives of all the people in that zone.

That being said, I've read where it's been said a beating isn't a severe enough threat for deadly force. As I get older, the thought of blood clots and such go though my mind about getting beat.
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I've known the back story about two similar fatal incidents around here in the past several years. In both cases the punchers had previous history of assaulting people without excusable provocation (they were hothead he-man types) but they received no punishment.
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