OCing couple kicked out of Centerville Costco
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OCing couple kicked out of Centerville Costco
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Summary:
Couple join a private club whose contract includes this provision "Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorize law enforcement officers."
Couple open carry in Costco.
Couple are approached and asked, not to leave, but to conceal.
Couple fail or refuse to do so.
Couple are approached again.
Couple argue "Mah rights are be-in' vi-ho-layted".
Couple leave.
Couple want "answers" and want Costco to post their stores.
Tip: If you join a private club, take a minute to read the rules. If you're asked to conceal, shut up and do it.
I'm not defending Costco. I'm not a member and am not interested in joining. That said, this couple failed to follow the rules they agreed to, could've been arrested but weren't.
Summary:
Couple join a private club whose contract includes this provision "Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorize law enforcement officers."
Couple open carry in Costco.
Couple are approached and asked, not to leave, but to conceal.
Couple fail or refuse to do so.
Couple are approached again.
Couple argue "Mah rights are be-in' vi-ho-layted".
Couple leave.
Couple want "answers" and want Costco to post their stores.
Tip: If you join a private club, take a minute to read the rules. If you're asked to conceal, shut up and do it.
I'm not defending Costco. I'm not a member and am not interested in joining. That said, this couple failed to follow the rules they agreed to, could've been arrested but weren't.
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What answers do they want? They failed to read terms and conditions before signing. They failed to follow the terms and conditions of membership. They then wanted to argue about it. Posted or not, it is the business' right to ask them to cover up or leave.
Not a lot of sympathy for them.
Not a lot of sympathy for them.
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Re: OCing couple kicked out of Centerville Costco
And made it more likely that corporate will reemphasize to these sensible yet wayward employees that if someone is OCing, no you do not ask them to cover up. You call the police and let the chips fall where they may. Turds.WY_Not wrote:What answers do they want? They failed to read terms and conditions before signing. They failed to follow the terms and conditions of membership. They then wanted to argue about it...
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Sometimes other gun owners are our worst enemies it seems.
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The last time i looked, the CostCo right next to Cabelas on the North side of Columbus was plastered with YUGE "no guns" signs.
As a result, I've never shopped there and never will.
As a result, I've never shopped there and never will.
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Costco sucks hot air......they just raised their membership fee, they claim business is down.....never had one never will unless they change their stance on no gun policy...
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Re: OCing couple kicked out of Centerville Costco
Right onWY_Not wrote:What answers do they want? They failed to read terms and conditions before signing. They failed to follow the terms and conditions of membership. They then wanted to argue about it. Posted or not, it is the business' right to ask them to cover up or leave.
Not a lot of sympathy for them.
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Would really enjoy sitting across a table from these fine folks and ask them what their thought process and goals were. Then I would measure their IQ.
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Sounds like they looked for the Gun Buster sign, and didn't see one, therefore proceeded.Mason said after shopping for a few minutes she and her boyfriend were approached by two employees.
"I noticed that you're open carrying would you mind covering that up because a couple of customers have complained it's made them nervous," Mason said the employees said.
Mason said she and her boyfriend complied, but because they hadn't dressed to conceal of their guns were still showing.
As for not reading the terms and conditions deal, have you ever been the non-primary account holder on anything that gets you a card? Perhaps it was a gift membership...Have you always read the terms and conditions thereof? If the employees asking you to conceal aren't quoting policy to you, why would you think it was policy?
Sounds like he was able to conceal and did, but that she hadn't dressed for the occasion and couldn't (you get into off the body carry and putting it on HIS waist, and touching the weapons and and and...)
FWIW, if you come to me with the complaint of some other patrons, I'd be unsympathetic to the request. If it's your policy, and I agreed to such (which was magically discovered by corporate big wigs after the fact, not how they were presented with the issue), that's one thing. If you're asserting the businessowner's rights to conduct business the way they see fit, that businessowner is dangerously wrong, but I'm your huckleberry.
But if you're asking me to make some anonymous cowardly blue-haired biddys happy, I'll pass. Send them to me and we'll come to an understanding.
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Meh. Employee says to cover or leave and you want to stand and argue... still no sympathy. If you want to keep arguing when the LEO arrives, here's hoping you enjoy your ride.
Costco's has been anti for a long time. This policy was not magically discovered by corporate big wigs after the fact.
I'm all for exercising one's rights but your rights do not override or negate someone else's rights. No one is forcing anyone to shop at Costco's. If you don't like their terms you are free to go elsewhere.
Costco's has been anti for a long time. This policy was not magically discovered by corporate big wigs after the fact.
I'm all for exercising one's rights but your rights do not override or negate someone else's rights. No one is forcing anyone to shop at Costco's. If you don't like their terms you are free to go elsewhere.
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You are assuming second class status to someone else's rights.WY_Not wrote:I'm all for exercising one's rights but your rights do not override or negate someone else's rights. No one is forcing anyone to shop at Costco's. If you don't like their terms you are free to go elsewhere.
They (other patrons), of course, have the right to express discomfort at the sight of your weapon. But if their rights don't supersede yours, and vice versa, neither party should move. Yet, we advocate for our pro-2A brothers and sisters to cover up, leave, run from the discomfort of the ninny. Why, if there's a standstill of rights, do we insist on fleeing? How does that lead to victory, if we can be run off simply by people throwing a fit?
Company policy was an after the fact revelation to all parties involved. In the moment, it was not a factor.
If you're suggesting flight at the request of any name-tagged pay-rolled person, in order to save legal fees and the like, I can understand that. Businesses should be able to refuse service to potential patrons, at will, and suffer the economic consequences thereof (which is where advocacy groups can step in and cause fiscal pain, in a coordinated boycott or some other method...not that I've seen such suggested).
OBTW, they didn't begin the argument. Everyone should be able to state their own case, particularly when an argument is brought against them.
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I'm assuming nothing of the sorts. Because as has been said many times, your right to carry ends when you step onto someone else's property. Their property, their rules. If you wish to make use of their property, then you agree to and follow their terms. If you can't do that then you are free to leave and go elsewhere. A representative of the company asked them to cover or leave. Regardless of the reason at that point their choice was to comply or leave. By your logic, we should be free to come to your place of residence and hold worship services. After all, we have a right to worship how we want. But that is not how it works. Just as you have the final say in how your property is used so does Costco. They are not infringing on anyone.
Uhm no. Costco policy has been known for many years. If the couple were so gung-ho to exercise their rights and support the cause then even a very slight bit of research ahead of time would have shown them what to expect.
You are right about one thing. If someone (non-employee) in a store complains to me while I'm carrying then meh, I'll shrug it off and continue on my way. They have a right to complain and I have a right to carry. Neither of us has any power to compel the other. An employee or representative of the store is a different matter.
They (the booted carriers) need to quit whining about how "mistreated" they were and go find somewhere else to shop. As I said before, no sympathy for anyone who supports a known anti org or company and then wants to complain when that anti org or company puts them out.
Uhm no. Costco policy has been known for many years. If the couple were so gung-ho to exercise their rights and support the cause then even a very slight bit of research ahead of time would have shown them what to expect.
You are right about one thing. If someone (non-employee) in a store complains to me while I'm carrying then meh, I'll shrug it off and continue on my way. They have a right to complain and I have a right to carry. Neither of us has any power to compel the other. An employee or representative of the store is a different matter.
They (the booted carriers) need to quit whining about how "mistreated" they were and go find somewhere else to shop. As I said before, no sympathy for anyone who supports a known anti org or company and then wants to complain when that anti org or company puts them out.
bignflnut wrote:You are assuming second class status to someone else's rights.WY_Not wrote:I'm all for exercising one's rights but your rights do not override or negate someone else's rights. No one is forcing anyone to shop at Costco's. If you don't like their terms you are free to go elsewhere.
They (other patrons), of course, have the right to express discomfort at the sight of your weapon. But if their rights don't supersede yours, and vice versa, neither party should move. Yet, we advocate for our pro-2A brothers and sisters to cover up, leave, run from the discomfort of the ninny. Why, if there's a standstill of rights, do we insist on fleeing? How does that lead to victory, if we can be run off simply by people throwing a fit?
Company policy was an after the fact revelation to all parties involved. In the moment, it was not a factor.
If you're suggesting flight at the request of any name-tagged pay-rolled person, in order to save legal fees and the like, I can understand that. Businesses should be able to refuse service to potential patrons, at will, and suffer the economic consequences thereof (which is where advocacy groups can step in and cause fiscal pain, in a coordinated boycott or some other method...not that I've seen such suggested).
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