Cincinnati- University Activists Open Carry

[robbo]

Open gun carry activists on campus

http://www.guns.com/2017/01/27/gun-righ ... incinatti/

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* UPDATE.....I Forgot to include the Cincinnati report on this....
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20 ... /97080856/

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[Brian D.]

I like how the article says this caused a "stir". But the hyperlink calls it a "hullabaloo". Come on, media folks, there's a difference. I mean, really, somebody invites me to come to a "stir", I'd probably turn them down. But a hullabaloo? Who could say no to a hullabaloo?

By the way, Jeffry was OC'ing a handgun only, no long guns this time around. I know that part of the issue causes some kerfuffle (yeah, once I typed hullaballoo it led to this) among gun rights advocates on our side, but as you can see the special snowflakes get soiled undies at the sight of ANY firearm. Probably at the very thought of any firearm.

[NERES]

For some reason it seems that today in this country the mindset to affect political opinion a public demonstration is needed. Such displays generally put me off for they offer little opportunity for reasoned dialogue nor do they address the people who make the decisions.

Would not a request to address the student senate by an articulate group of students who support the on campus carry and who can reason with them and discuss how this will enhance campus safety have been a better approach?

[TJW815]

Last night Fox19 (local Cincinnati station) did multiple lead ups to this being on the news at 10. Once it was on, the only people who seemed displeased were the reporters.

They had a statement from UC stating that (not in there words) the public at large has free access to do so in public open air areas and there is nothing they can do about it. They did mention however that they can and do restrict fireams inside of any campus building.

[147Doc]

There's a letter someone has put out on a Google docs link that you can fill out and sent to UC, complaining about the open carry activities.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... rm?c=0&w=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have no knowledge of the events other than what was in that letter or posted here, but the letter claims (among other things):

On Friday January 20, 2017, he attended a peaceful student anti-Trump rally in front of TUC armed with two side arms and what appeared to be a loaded semi-automatic rifle while dressed in pro-Trump regalia.

and
On January 25, 2017, Mr. Smith was seen entering a UC building while armed, a flagrant violation of UC policy, only to be peacefully escorted out by UCPD who took no further action.
Can you be held for violating university policy if you aren't a student and therefore not bound by those policies?

and
On January 25, 2017, Mr. Smith was filmed within 1000 feet of Hughes High School while armed, in possible contravention of the Gun-Free School Zones Act.
Oh. a "possible" contravention. Ooooh....

[JustaShooter]

On January 25, 2017, Mr. Smith was seen entering a UC building while armed, a flagrant violation of UC policy, only to be peacefully escorted out by UCPD who took no further action.
Can you be held for violating university policy if you aren't a student and therefore not bound by those policies?

If he actually did that, it would be more than a violation of UC policy, it would be a violation of Ohio law. But he didn't do that.

On January 25, 2017, Mr. Smith was filmed within 1000 feet of Hughes High School while armed, in possible contravention of the Gun-Free School Zones Act.
Oh. a "possible" contravention. Ooooh....

It is only "possible" in their mind - anyone who knows Mr. Smith or knows anything about him knows he has his Ohio Concealed Handgun License, which gives him an exception to the Federal GFSZA.

[BB62]

For some reason it seems that today in this country the mindset to affect political opinion a public demonstration is needed. Such displays generally put me off for they offer little opportunity for reasoned dialogue nor do they address the people who make the decisions.

Would not a request to address the student senate by an articulate group of students who support the on campus carry and who can reason with them and discuss how this will enhance campus safety have been a better approach?

If you wouldn't mind, can you tell us how you know what did or didn't happen prior to the so-called "public demonstration"?

Thank you.

[mreising]

Actually, since he was open carrying, I believe he could legally enter the building (legal vs UC policy, two different things). There is more to this, but I'll let Jeff explain, if he wishes to do so.
Edited to remove a speculation and to clarify my first sentence.

[JustaShooter]

Actually, since he was open carrying, I believe he could legally enter the building.

I've seen both sides of that debate - let's just say I remain unconvinced. I do wish it would be settled, however. Well, actually, I wish we could get the law changed to remove unsecured portions of government facilities from the statutory no-carry list.

There is more to this, but I'll let Jeff explain, if he wishes to do so, let's just say he was escorted in and out.

I was going on something he wrote somewhere else that read as if he did not do what the letter claimed. If that's not entirely the case I hope he does tell the tale.

[NERES]

For some reason it seems that today in this country the mindset to affect political opinion a public demonstration is needed. Such displays generally put me off for they offer little opportunity for reasoned dialogue nor do they address the people who make the decisions.

Would not a request to address the student senate by an articulate group of students who support the on campus carry and who can reason with them and discuss how this will enhance campus safety have been a better approach?

If you wouldn't mind, can you tell us how you know what did or didn't happen prior to the so-called "public demonstration"?

Thank you.

All I know is what I read in the first linked article. It said he stood outside for five hours and was joined by other "activist" to petition the student government. Does this mean they made a personal appearance at the "government" meeting? If so it wasn't made clear to me in the article.

[BB62]

For some reason it seems that today in this country the mindset to affect political opinion a public demonstration is needed. Such displays generally put me off for they offer little opportunity for reasoned dialogue nor do they address the people who make the decisions.

Would not a request to address the student senate by an articulate group of students who support the on campus carry and who can reason with them and discuss how this will enhance campus safety have been a better approach?

If you wouldn't mind, can you tell us how you know what did or didn't happen prior to the so-called "public demonstration"?

Thank you.

All I know is what I read in the first linked article. It said he stood outside for five hours and was joined by other "activist" to petition the student government. Does this mean they made a personal appearance at the "government" meeting? If so it wasn't made clear to me in the article.

Yet, even though what did or didn't happen "wasn't made clear" in the article (do you really expect the media to be complete and accurate?), you felt it appropriate to:

Criticize/assume: "For some reason it seems that today in this country the mindset to affect political opinion a public demonstration is needed."

Render an opinion/criticize/assume: "Such displays generally put me off for they offer little opportunity for reasoned dialogue nor do they address the people who make the decisions."

Assume/criticize: "Would not a request to address the student senate by an articulate group of students who support the on campus carry and who can reason with them and discuss how this will enhance campus safety have been a better approach?"


My suggestions to you are 1) don't trust the media, 2) don't assume, and 3) ask questions before lobbing criticisms or offering opinions.

By the way, you won't find the full and accurate story anywhere, because although I've repeatedly given it to the media, they've either a) refused to publish it, or b) used bits and pieces and/or twisted the result to fit their biases.

Hopefully I'll get something written up this week.
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[MyWifeSaidYes]

NERES, the reaction you got from BB62 (while extremely passive-aggressive) is due directly to the enormous number of discussions that occur "behind the scenes".

While some groups will protest on a whim, 2A advocates almost always expend all other avenues of motivation before scheduling a "protest".

And, I think it is a bit insulting to refer to an act of informing the public a "protest".

Other than some extremist activists in Texas a couple years ago, I have never seen video of a firearms advocate/activist getting in anyone's face or blocking anyone's path.

I spent 3 months talking with the city of Dublin about their invalid laws before I decided to attend the Dublin Irish Festival while open carrying.

I also spent 2 to 3 months talking with the city of Bexley before attending one of their outdoor activities.

Knowing BB62, I'm sure he spent quite a bit of time in email, phone and face-to-face communication prior to scheduling his walk.

[NERES]

BB62 and MWSY,

Thank you both for responding to my posts. It appears that I was "suckered" into a low information mindset by the reporting in the first post in the OP.

Do I trust the media? Absolutely not. Years ago I was employed in a rather newsworthy position where I was often interviewed by print and TV media. After seeing my words edited to phrases and taken out of context I decided not to participate further with interviews. Shame on me for not remembering this lesson.

As a concealed carrier who knows a bit about the subject I was mislead which makes me wonder what J. Q. Public took away from the article. I look forward to the true story if you can get it posted.

[Javelin Man]

^^^ Well said. Calm, cool heads prevailed here as usually happens on OFCC Forums. Open discussion took care of misunderstandings.

[robbo]

More info I just came across...
"Campus employees and students not only contacted police about Smith’s presence because they “felt uncomfortable,” but also began circulating a petition to make sure armed gun activists never come back on campus again."
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... rm?c=0&w=1

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/27/cinic ... z4XIUL8TUN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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