Robber shot after home invasion -dispatchers questions

[M-Quigley]

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While talking to the man who was shot the caller asks, “Was it worth it?” “I didn’t think so,” he said.
Dispatchers asked the caller to provide some medical help while crews responded, but the caller refused.
“He broke into my house,” the caller said. “He shot at me.”

If I were in a similar situation, I would be extremely leery of being close enough to the attacker to even have a conversation, much less have my hands on them. Wounded people can still be a potential danger, particularly when you've got a firearm in your hand and you're within their reach, and or they still have a weapon. (or possibly another weapon you don't know about)

[DontTreadOnMe]

The way I read that it wasn't the 911 dispatcher who asked "Was it worth it" but did ask him to provide medical care to his attacker. I don't blame him for refusing. From Greg Ellifritz:

Should I Provide First Aid to the Attacker I Just Shot?

I’m probably going to ruffle a few feathers with my answer, but I maintain that an armed citizen SHOULD NOT approach a suspect he just shot in order to provide first aid.

It’s simply too dangerous. The criminal may be “playing dead” in order to lure you closer so that he can continue his attack. It might be a ruse so that the criminal can take your own gun away from you. Even if the criminal’s weapon is out of his reach, there’s nothing to prevent him from drawing a second gun or knife. We know serious predators often carry more than one weapon on their person when the commit their crimes.

Besides the primary suspect, you may be extremely vulnerable to any of his accomplices while your attention is focused on providing medical attention. It’s a bad idea.

Another thing he didn't mention, but what are you doing with your gun when you approach him? Either you bring it with you, giving him the potential opportunity to take it from you, or you leave it behind leaving you even more vulnerable to another attack.

[Ray81]

Criminals have more rights than their victims in Bloomberg controlled areas.

I wonder if the robber will bring a civil lawsuit because of his contributions to society. My guess is yes and depending on state law or jury.... he could actually win.

[deanimator]

The North Miami cop who shot Charles Kinsey not only rendered him no aid, he handcuffed him.

I have no MORE duty to assume medical and legal risk by providing medical assistance to a felonious assailant, than a cop does to render medical assistance to an INNOCENT person whom he just WRONGFULLY shot.

My dialing 911 is all of the aid an attacker deserves or will get from me.

[docachna]

My dialing 911 is all of the aid an attacker deserves or will get from me.

Like HE said.

[M-Quigley]

The way I read that it wasn't the 911 dispatcher who asked "Was it worth it" but did ask him to provide medical care to his attacker. I don't blame him for refusing. From Greg Ellifritz:

Perhaps I should've omitted that from the quote. My comment regarding the request of the 911 dispatcher had nothing to do with the "was it worth it?" question. I didn't mean to imply that the dispatcher asked that question, only the one about rendering aid.

[tbrew85]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I've taken care of a whole lot of people that many would say "don't deserve it". Again, not judging those that feel that way, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

[Brian D.]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I've taken care of a whole lot of people that many would say "don't deserve it". Again, not judging those that feel that way, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

It's not about "deserve" it's about your own "scene safety". If I don't have friends/family there to watch my back, I can't do that and render aid at the same time.

[Mustang380gal]

And if body fluids are leaking, one may not want to be exposed to whatever pathogens are lurking therein.

[Mr. Glock]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I've taken care of a whole lot of people that many would say "don't deserve it". Again, not judging those that feel that way, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

The fact that the wounded was trying to use lethal force against you - directly - moments ago should be thought about prior to equating it to a formal medical setting. There are some big differences here.

Normalcy bias is a real thing, and it can get you killed. What if you give enough aid that the bad guy revives enough to kill you?

I'm not saying this issue is black or white by any means, just suggesting a line of thought. If you've thought it out, more power to you.

[deanimator]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I've taken care of a whole lot of people that many would say "don't deserve it". Again, not judging those that feel that way, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

My last medical training was in 1980 as a 2nd Lt. in the Infantry Officer Basic Course.

If I justifiably shoot somebody he can't collect if he sues me.

If I incompetently provide medical services which I'm unqualified to render and cause additional injury, the "victim" owns me.

And that leaves aside the danger to me.

What do I win if I get hepatitis C or HIV from my assailant's bodily fluids?

If you didn't attack me, you wouldn't NEED medical care... at least not from MY gunshot(s).

[DontTreadOnMe]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I'm not, I have only basic first aid cert. According to my training the first thing I'm supposed to do is to ensure the scene is safe. In the scenario as given I'm not sure I could be confident of that.

[Chuck]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I've taken care of a whole lot of people that many would say "don't deserve it". Again, not judging those that feel that way, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

My last medical training was in 1980 as a 2nd Lt. in the Infantry Officer Basic Course.

If I justifiably shoot somebody he can't collect if he sues me.

If I incompetently provide medical services which I'm unqualified to render and cause additional injury, the "victim" owns me.

And that leaves aside the danger to me.

What do I win if I get hepatitis C or HIV from my assailant's bodily fluids?

If you didn't attack me, you wouldn't NEED medical care... at least not from MY gunshot(s).

You put a lot of thought into things like this
That's why I appreciate reading you

[cashman966]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I've taken care of a whole lot of people that many would say "don't deserve it". Again, not judging those that feel that way, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

My last medical training was in 1980 as a 2nd Lt. in the Infantry Officer Basic Course.

If I justifiably shoot somebody he can't collect if he sues me.

If I incompetently provide medical services which I'm unqualified to render and cause additional injury, the "victim" owns me.

And that leaves aside the danger to me.

What do I win if I get hepatitis C or HIV from my assailant's bodily fluids?

If you didn't attack me, you wouldn't NEED medical care... at least not from MY gunshot(s).

No worries about being "owned" now, everything else sounds like valid reasons not to render aid.

Court: Good Samaritan law protects all who help in emergency

Ohio’s Good Samaritan law protecting people from legal liability for rendering aid applies to anyone who provides assistance -- medical or otherwise – at the scene of an emergency, the Ohio Supreme Court declared today.

The court ruled 4-3 that the law applies to more than medical professionals and first responders and is not restricted to medical care, but also applies to other situations in which an uninjured person immediately needs help.

[qmti]

I'm an ER RN. I believe that if I could do so safely, I would render whatever aid I could. I don't blame anyone that would feel otherwise.

I've taken care of a whole lot of people that many would say "don't deserve it". Again, not judging those that feel that way, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

My last medical training was in 1980 as a 2nd Lt. in the Infantry Officer Basic Course.

If I justifiably shoot somebody he can't collect if he sues me.

If I incompetently provide medical services which I'm unqualified to render and cause additional injury, the "victim" owns me.

And that leaves aside the danger to me.

What do I win if I get hepatitis C or HIV from my assailant's bodily fluids?

If you didn't attack me, you wouldn't NEED medical care... at least not from MY gunshot(s).

No worries about being "owned" now, everything else sounds like valid reasons not to render aid.

Court: Good Samaritan law protects all who help in emergency

Ohio’s Good Samaritan law protecting people from legal liability for rendering aid applies to anyone who provides assistance -- medical or otherwise – at the scene of an emergency, the Ohio Supreme Court declared today.

The court ruled 4-3 that the law applies to more than medical professionals and first responders and is not restricted to medical care, but also applies to other situations in which an uninjured person immediately needs help.

Let's see, "The court ruled 4-3" which means you probably had 4 conservatives with common sense and 3 bleeding liberals who support the aggressor. Laws have been overturned by new court make-ups by incoming administrations.