SC Officer Charged with Murder

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Werz wrote: Or did everyone forget what happened three weeks ago in Cincinnati?
To what are you referring?
Are you referring to the Tensing "Mistrial" declaration? Are you suggesting that a "Mistrail" = Accountability = Justice?
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MG380...IDK what other evidence cancels out video evidence...BUT if your home is ever broken into, and you startle the thief, then empty your mag into his back as he is running away and see how well you fare in court.
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glocksmith wrote:MG380...IDK what other evidence cancels out video evidence...BUT if your home is ever broken into, and you startle the thief, then empty your mag into his back as he is running away and see how well you fare in court.
I am not an officer of the law attempting to capture a person who had just assaulted me, and used a taser on me. Assault on an officer is a felony. Scott was not an innocent man who was unarmed. He was a man who had just committed a violent felony on a police officer.

Burn marks on the officer's shirt from a taser can certainly add context that a video can never show. Those burn marks trump what is seen in the video. DNA and fingerprints from the dead guy on the taser show that he had it in his hand.
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Well, like Carmen implied in a previous post, I'm not sure how one justifies firing multiple shots into a retreating person's back at over 50 feet distant. No matter how you slice it up, it looks bad to me, and many other citizens as well. IBTL
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glocksmith wrote:Well, like Carmen implied in a previous post, I'm not sure how one justifies firing multiple shots into a retreating person's back at over 50 feet distant. No matter how you slice it up, it looks bad to me, and many other citizens as well. IBTL
Articles I read this morning said that it was under the Tueller distance, at only about 17 feet.

Whether it looks good or not is the issue. The issue is whether he was legally allowed to shoot a felon who he thought was a threat to his life, and the lives of others. His testimony made it clear he was afraid for his life, since he had just had the taser used on him.

Apparently, many of the jurors thought that his self-defense claim was valid as well.

I have seen the video, and a frame by frame, which shows taser wires.
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As civilians we are to deescalate while LE escalate. There were other options this officer could of taken, but in his frame of mind, which was whizzed off and mad,justifiably so, there was still the option of letting him run till he was caught......had that LEO taken that option we wouldn't be debating it and he would be home permanently with his family.....he chose to shoot out of anger IMO..

Not praising the BG, but he could have had a gun and the officer would of been dead..this BG was a criminal but not a threat to the officers life IMO
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carmen fovozzo wrote:As civilians we are to deescalate while LE escalate. There were other options this officer could of taken, but in his frame of mind, which was whizzed off and mad,justifiably so, there was still the option of letting him run till he was caught......had that LEO taken that option we wouldn't be debating it and he would be home permanently with his family.....he chose to shoot out of anger IMO..
There is always the choice of just letting them flee. However, what crime will the perpetrator escalate to next? They are already ballsy enough to take an officer's taser. The same though comes in vehicle pursuits. What are they running from? What are they trying to hide?
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Just guessing here but, this LEO did not look like any kind of slouch..He looked very capable of running this guy down IMO...he was angry and had cause to be...

Here's a dumb thought....if I was that angry I would want to get even with the BG up front and personally.....and by killing him would take away some of that joy..dumb I know..
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carmen fovozzo wrote:Just guessing here but, this LEO did not look like any kind of slouch..He looked very capable of running this guy down IMO...he was angry and had cause to be...

Here's a dumb thought....if I was that angry I would want to get even with the BG up front and personally.....and by killing him would take away some of that joy..dumb I know..
Subject had a deadly weapon. You meet deadly weapon with deadly weapon. The video is just one perspective/view. The prosecution has every legal right to decide to retry if they do not like the verdict of the jury, which is made up of the people picked at random.
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Yes Yes and yes....he was also running like hell...
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Let's pump the brakes on all of these apologies for the guy who dumped 8 into a suspects back.

Let's remember that LEOs are only given Powers / Rights that We The People grant and WTP can only grant that which we posses:
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In short, if the common citizen is prohibited from filling that felon's back full of lead, so is the LEO, no matter how tempted any of us may have been.

Badges do not grant extra Rights relegating the common citizen to a second class citizen, thereby justifying a badge-ed official's destruction of a lower citizen.

The question is: Would a common citizen be justified in doing what we see on the video? Where's the line between self-defense and criminal personal vengeance, and was it crossed?

Justice is "blind", let us remember. It should not see a blue life, or a black life, or any thing but the facts as they apply to the law.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:Just guessing here but, this LEO did not look like any kind of slouch..He looked very capable of running this guy down IMO...he was angry and had cause to be...

Here's a dumb thought....if I was that angry I would want to get even with the BG up front and personally.....and by killing him would take away some of that joy..dumb I know..
Subject had a deadly weapon. You meet deadly weapon with deadly weapon. The video is just one perspective/view. The prosecution has every legal right to decide to retry if they do not like the verdict of the jury, which is made up of the people picked at random.
Walter Scott had a weapon at the time he was shot?
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I went back and looked at the video 3 more times.....if the officer was tased he sure did not show it...in any way.....after the shooting the officer did a sprint back to retrieve the taser. He did not show any inability to act. Even after all was calm the officer looked like he functioned normally.
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Mustang380gal wrote:There is more evidence than a video, and videos don't always tell the whole story.

Obviously, the jury thought so, too. Malice aforethought was supposed to be a defining factor to murder. They could not find that. There evidently were 5 who could not decide on manslaughter, either. Looks like they did not see a relaxed, casual attitude in the officer.
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