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Neighbors oppose airgun tournaments at Lakeview Church Parma

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Interesting Church sponsored activity. I'd play if i lived near there.. why not ?

Guess the neighbors view all guns as bad....

Neighbors oppose air-gun tournaments at Lakeview Church of God in Parma
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Last month, Morgan told council that for at least three years young people have played with “airsoft” guns on church property. Morgan said the young people did not have permission to play with airsoft guns on church property.

However, when he learned how popular airsoft guns are, Morgan and the church decided to organize airsoft tournaments. The problem was that city code prohibits the outdoor use of airsoft or paint guns.
Zeigler said she and her neighbors are concerned about the safety of air gun tournaments and about children and-or pets getting hurt by stray air-gun pellets.

Also, Zeigler questioned whether a church should sponsor air-gun events. “I really have an issue with that — that a church is promoting something like that in our city,” Zeigler told council.

“Now is not the time for Parma to be on the radar screen with something like that, with what’s going on in the world today, with different shootings and things like that,” Zeigler said.
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Using the law to force their political correctness on others. Nice. And I love the claim that airgun tournaments would cause neighborhood vandalism. What bodily orifice did she pull that idea out of? Nevermind. I know the answer to that.
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These kind of people make me laugh and mumble libtard under my breathe.
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These people need to stop villifying innocent and innocuous behavior. :evil:
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Sounds like someone doesn't understand the difference between metal BBs, .177 pellets, and airsoft.
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AndMetal wrote:Sounds like someone doesn't understand the difference between metal BBs, .177 pellets, and airsoft.
They are all guns and all guns are dangerous. That's why I don't own any. I teach the NRA Basic Pistol class with blue guns only and for the range portion we throw crumbled paper. :lol:
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JediSkipdogg wrote:
AndMetal wrote:Sounds like someone doesn't understand the difference between metal BBs, .177 pellets, and airsoft.
They are all guns and all guns are dangerous. That's why I don't own any. I teach the NRA Basic Pistol class with blue guns only and for the range portion we throw crumbled paper. :lol:
Crumbled paper???!!!??? Why do you hate trees so much????

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sodbuster95 wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:
AndMetal wrote:Sounds like someone doesn't understand the difference between metal BBs, .177 pellets, and airsoft.
They are all guns and all guns are dangerous. That's why I don't own any. I teach the NRA Basic Pistol class with blue guns only and for the range portion we throw crumbled paper. :lol:
Crumbled paper???!!!??? Why do you hate trees so much????

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It's recycled paper. My next choice was Nerf balls, but they could injure someone, of course paper may give someone a fatal paper cut.
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We should cut down more trees for paper. Helps reduce forest fires. :mrgreen:
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Kind of a Dupe, maybe more of an update?

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JediSkipdogg wrote:
AndMetal wrote:Sounds like someone doesn't understand the difference between metal BBs, .177 pellets, and airsoft.
They are all guns and all guns are dangerous. That's why I don't own any. I teach the NRA Basic Pistol class with blue guns only and for the range portion we throw crumbled paper. :lol:

Be careful, that crumbled paper could go off and ten innocent orphans could be killed.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:
AndMetal wrote:Sounds like someone doesn't understand the difference between metal BBs, .177 pellets, and airsoft.
They are all guns and all guns are dangerous. That's why I don't own any. I teach the NRA Basic Pistol class with blue guns only and for the range portion we throw crumbled paper. :lol:
I'm just talking about the difference in muzzle energy. Airsoft is something like 1-2 foot pounds, a .177 air pellet is something like 15, and a .22 LR is something like 117:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft_pe ... ballistics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_energy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've been hit with an airsoft pellet on bare skin at point blank range, and it hurt and left a mark, but wasn't even close to breaking skin. Aside from being shot in the eye, I think it's far from the danger you are equating it to. Heavier, solid projectiles like BBs and pellets on the other hand...

Bottom line, as long as they stay safe and take responsibility if someone outside of the event gets hurt, I say let them do what they want.
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What's the muzzle energy of crumpled paper?
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Most places have a ban on airguns within city limits. It includes pellet guns, paintball, airsoft, etc. Not really some recent conspiracy against firearms....it has been around for decades.
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Really? First I've heard of one.
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