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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby BobK » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:14 pm

dan dan the XD40 man wrote:The door in the video I watched seemed quite "damaged". Almost as if a boot or 2 had been applied to it.

I'd like to follow up on this line of discussion, Dan.

Which video were you watching, the one at http://www.jacksonvillelawyerhelp.com/2 ... fs-office/

Can you point to the time in the video where you believe the door had been booted in?

To Mike, first thing that comes to mind is your voice recorder is running, right?
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby deanimator » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:33 pm

bignflnut wrote:Video says cops found drugs inside Andrew's apartment (justification, anyone?)!
Take a vacation, boys!

The Atlanta PD said they "found" drugs in Kathryn Johnston's home too...
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby WestonDon » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:38 pm

[quote="JediSkipdoggFYI....Hamilton County SWAT is certified in the use of C4 shape charges. Got a door that will stop that?[/quote]

I am trying to imagine a scenario in which it would be appropriate for SWAT to use C4. Making my head hurt. :shock:
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby JediSkipdogg » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:03 pm

WestonDon wrote:[quote="JediSkipdoggFYI....Hamilton County SWAT is certified in the use of C4 shape charges. Got a door that will stop that?


I am trying to imagine a scenario in which it would be appropriate for SWAT to use C4. Making my head hurt. :shock:[/quote]

My understanding when they got the training was after they had a subject that was barricaded and the residence had solid steel doors and bars on the windows. Essentially, a tought situation to break into. I have yet to hear of them using it since training, however, they have it.
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby deanimator » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:06 pm

dynamike wrote:
BobK wrote:A better approach would have been to be behind a hardened entry speaking to the police via intercomm and CCTV. Have them show their badge to the camera and state their badge number. Let them know you'll come out to speak with them as soon as you verify LEO status with 911. You'll also have video/audio of the encounter.


Some people can't afford that, Bob.

At the very least, the door should stay shut until the identification of the knocker can be verified.

Unfortunately, we only have the officers' story. How can we not be sure he didn't open the door with his firearm at the low-ready or even pointed at the ground by his leg?

And some of us live in apartments. We can't afford to improve somebody ELSE'S property for free.

The cops mistakenly came to my place last year. I never opened the door to them and my side of the conversation was strictly one syllable answers. I NEVER would have opened the door to them without a warrant present.
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby dan dan the XD40 man » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:35 pm

BobK wrote:
dan dan the XD40 man wrote:The door in the video I watched seemed quite "damaged". Almost as if a boot or 2 had been applied to it.

I'd like to follow up on this line of discussion, Dan.

Which video were you watching, the one at http://www.jacksonvillelawyerhelp.com/2 ... fs-office/

Can you point to the time in the video where you believe the door had been booted in?

To Mike, first thing that comes to mind is your voice recorder is running, right?


Thats not the one. But, the door looks OK in that video other than a lot of perforations.
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby pleasantguywhopacks » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:36 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:FYI....Hamilton County SWAT is certified in the use of C4 shape charges. Got a door that will stop that?

AMFO lined door? C4 would make a dandy initiator charge.


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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby wkdravenna » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:44 am

This is a Tragedy. Government's Treading all over everyone.

Some people want the government to be in-charge of even more things.
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby deanimator » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:18 pm

wkdravenna wrote:This is a Tragedy. Government's Treading all over everyone.

Some people want the government to be in-charge of even more things.

This is where the "You've got to break some eggs to make an omelet!" factions of the right and left meet and shake hands over the body of some innocent citizen like the Wehrmacht and the Red Army shaking hands over the corpse of Poland in 1939.

The left believes that if it happened to a non-criminal gun owner, he had it coming for BEING a gun owner.

The right believes that if a cop did it, it just COULDN'T be wrong.
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby Beskar'gam » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:11 pm

deanimator wrote:And some of us live in apartments. We can't afford to improve somebody ELSE'S property for free..


Precisely - and good luck getting reimbursed for a state of the art security system by your landlord. I didn't even get reimbursed for the deadbolts I installed - have yet to provide a key for them yet and likely never will
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Re: FL man killed when LEOs knock at wrong house

Postby bignflnut » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:57 am

Link to update:

While Jonathan Brown is now charged with attempted murder, WFTV says that it appears that the police upgraded the charge after killing Scott. The suggestion is that it looks much better to have gunned down a citizen while looking for an attempted murder suspect. It also could be used to excuse the failure to identify themselves given the danger of the suspect.

Yet, it appears that the police were called over a simple street fight where Brown allegedly held a cinder block above the victim in a threatening way. However, he never used the cinder block and that does not sound like attempted murder to me. It sounds like a simple street fight.

Notably, the Florida law below does not list battery as one of the underlying felonies for murder or attempted murder charges. The reason may be that it would convert virtually all batteries into attempted murder cases.
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