Now Zimmerman's a child molester?

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More detailed report than earlier...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... d=16786905" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
She told investigators that in 2005 she told her family who confronted Zimmerman in a restaurant about the allegations, and that they were in shock.
Another witness, the air marshal friend who Zimmerman stayed with after the NBPP bounty incident, told police that Zimmerman was abused by his mother, and that is why he was estranged from his family. Source here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/07/1 ... an-in.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He (Osterman) told authorities that Zimmerman's mother was strict and hit him "all the time." Zimmerman's father did not stick up for the kids when the mother abused them, and the family had been estranged just prior to the shooting, he said.
Solid reminder that if you are involved in a shooting, EVERYTHING you've ever done that could be questionable in nature will come back to haunt you. Zimmerman's case is obviously an extreme example, but don't we prepare for extreme circumstances in the first place?

Finally, I'm not going to definitively state whether I believe the sex abuse accusation or not, because there's not enough evidence either way. However, I will say that I find it odd that the victim calls the police to tell her story as soon as Zimmerman's name shows up in the media. If something happened, she's obviously not over it, and if something didn't happen, well... Every family has their nut jobs, some more than others.
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SigMan wrote:Not to get off the topic of the suposed rape or molestation that may or may not be true, but so what if he is racist? This whole "race" thing P's me off. Supose that he is racist. Does that automatically deny him the right by law to defend himself against serious bodily injury or death?
Supposedly he went out that night hunting for a black man to kill. :roll: At least that's what the media is telling us. :wink:
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Jedi, you should be able to at least sympathize why some would feel that way.

A child is dead and someone needs to answer for that and he will answer for it in a court of law guilty or innocent.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:The funny thing about all this is that this is a pretty cut and dry case IMO. I'm not aware of any murder case this cut and dry being this detailed. Heck, it's not like he denies shooting and killing Martin. He just claims he did it in self-defense. And they have no evidence that shows it's not self-defense. So now they search for evidence to dispute his statement that it was self-defense.
I believe this female that was molested called the police the day she heard of the shooting with Z...This was presented to the police, there was no searching in this case...
Ok, so.......show me the charge. IMO, her testimony is useless. You can't use it as a character witness on a charge that never occurred. Now, if he was found guilty of said molestation, then it could be a good character witness. But she would be testifying on the stand to a crime that didn't occur in the eyes of the law.

FYI...not sure about Florida law, but in Ohio he could be charged and arrested for the molestation still today, ie...rape aka no statute of limitations.
An 8 year old and a 6 year old that happened how long ago and even if their is no statute of limitation they where obviously minor's at the time. :roll: good luck getting that to trial.
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steves 50de wrote:An 8 year old and a 6 year old that happened how long ago and even if their is no statute of limitation they where obviously minor's at the time. :roll: good luck getting that to trial.
Well, it lasted for ten years. So an 18 year old and a 16 year old. IMO, all his defense has to say when they put her on the stand and question her is...."Objection Your Honor!!!! Is Geoge Zimmerman on trial today for murder or for rape?" For such a serious crime that they are making it out to be now, they sure aren't letting the court determine if it's true and should move forward.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:
steves 50de wrote:An 8 year old and a 6 year old that happened how long ago and even if their is no statute of limitation they where obviously minor's at the time. :roll: good luck getting that to trial.
Well, it lasted for ten years. So an 18 year old and a 16 year old. IMO, all his defense has to say when they put her on the stand and question her is...."Objection Your Honor!!!! Is Geoge Zimmerman on trial today for murder or for rape?" For such a serious crime that they are making it out to be now, they sure aren't letting the court determine if it's true and should move forward.
Well for me to believe it she needed to come out a long time ago and report it,.... not just when it will get the most mileage. :twisted:
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He probably is... who knows.

This is a he said she said. If it is true, I wish she would have reported it.
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steves 50de wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:
steves 50de wrote:An 8 year old and a 6 year old that happened how long ago and even if their is no statute of limitation they where obviously minor's at the time. :roll: good luck getting that to trial.
Well, it lasted for ten years. So an 18 year old and a 16 year old. IMO, all his defense has to say when they put her on the stand and question her is...."Objection Your Honor!!!! Is Geoge Zimmerman on trial today for murder or for rape?" For such a serious crime that they are making it out to be now, they sure aren't letting the court determine if it's true and should move forward.
Well for me to believe it she needed to come out a long time ago and report it,.... not just when it will get the most MONEY. :twisted:
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Also, why did she wait 4 years after it ended to tell the family?

Really, this whole thing is starting to sound like an episode of Days of our Lives... :roll:
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You know, when I worked in the ER, we'd see lots of people walking in, complaining that they "fell" or somesuch. We'd ask where they hurt.

Many times, it would be "here" and "here" and "kind of hurts here".

The more places the person complained about, the less likely that any were serious injuries.

I think the prosecution is doing much the same. He's a murderer. Then he's racist. Then comes liar who can't be trusted. Now he's a child molester.

The more they pile on, the less likely I believe anything coming out from the prosecution's side.
MFDoom wrote:Jedi, you should be able to at least sympathize why some would feel that way.

A child is dead and someone needs to answer for that and he will answer for it in a court of law guilty or innocent.
Child? He was 17, and the same size as an adult. My oldest son is 18. No way on earth I would have referred to my son as a "child" at 17. Heck, my 14 year old son is as tall as my husband, and wouldn't want to be called a "child" either.

And that "young man" did some injury to Zimmerman.
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Mustang380gal wrote:You know, when I worked in the ER, we'd see lots of people walking in, complaining that they "fell" or somesuch. We'd ask where they hurt.

Many times, it would be "here" and "here" and "kind of hurts here".

The more places the person complained about, the less likely that any were serious injuries.

I think the prosecution is doing much the same. He's a murderer. Then he's racist. Then comes liar who can't be trusted. Now he's a child molester.

The more they pile on, the less likely I believe anything coming out from the prosecution's side.
MFDoom wrote:Jedi, you should be able to at least sympathize why some would feel that way.

A child is dead and someone needs to answer for that and he will answer for it in a court of law guilty or innocent.
Child? He was 17, and the same size as an adult. My oldest son is 18. No way on earth I would have referred to my son as a "child" at 17. Heck, my 14 year old son is as tall as my husband, and wouldn't want to be called a "child" either.

And that "young man" did some injury to Zimmerman.
BULL CRAP. No one cares what your son (who I assume & hope is very much alive) wants to be called. That is immaterial.

Trayvonn Martin was a child. He was 17 years old. He was in high school. He did not have the right to vote or own a hand gun. He was a child regardless of how big or small his stature of physique was. Zimmerman profiled and stalked that child. Trayvon had a right to stand his ground and defend himself from a strange man following him. Who was Zimmerman to decide that any law abiding citizen walking down the street was "up to no good". The fact that the police call establishes that Zimmerman chased down Martin rather than the other way around is every indication that Zimmerman instigated this. This wasn't what Stand Your Ground was meant to do.

And I don't believe for 1 second that George "Grown Man" Zimmerman couldn't take a 17 year old in a fight.

He could not enlist in our Armed Forces - DaveinOH made me aware that this is incorrect. You can enlist at 17. I was wrong.
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MFDoom wrote: Trayvonn Martin was a child. He was 17 years old. He was in high school. He did not have the right to vote or own a hand gun. He could not enlist in our Armed Forces. He was a child regardless of how big or small his stature of physique was. Zimmerman profiled and stalked that child. Trayvon had a right to stand his ground and defend himself from a strange man following him. Who was Zimmerman to decide that any law abiding citizen walking down the street was "up to no good". The fact that the police call establishes that Zimmerman chased down Martin rather than the other way around is every indication that Zimmerman instigated this. This wasn't what Stand Your Ground was meant to do.

And I don't believe for 1 second that George "Grown Man" Zimmerman couldn't take a 17 year old in a fight.
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A catfish by any other name is still a catfish. I smell an old fish also! Different name, same story. This one trys to makeup his own facts also! :lol:
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MFDoom wrote:Jedi, you should be able to at least sympathize why some would feel that way.

A child is dead and someone needs to answer for that and he will answer for it in a court of law guilty or innocent.
I don't. The evidence is pretty clear cut. He was attacked, he was in danger of being knocked out and possibly killed, and he defended himself.

Every year the government and the defendants spend billions upon billions of dollars in court for things that should have never been prosecuted, usually because of some "public outrage" or an overzealous LEO/prosecutor. We see this frequently with legal CCWs and open carriers, such as the recent case with Harley in southern Ohio. Or in the open carry case in Michigan, where the defense attorney blatantly stated multiple times that they could dismiss the case without fear of being sued... they didn't, and now they're being sued (sued for tax dollars, mind you).

Race, as an issue, has become less about "we want equality" and more about "we want special treatment," and it only got worse when we elected a black president who refuses to prosecute extremist race-focused paramilitary groups for voter intimidation. Everyone is expected to hate the KKK, but if you hate the Black Panthers, you're a racist. As a LEO, I can tell you everything is about race when you're dealing with a black person. They're caught shoplifting? They say I'm racist. They're arrested for domestic violence? I must be racist. They rob a gas station? Guess it's my fault since I'm a racist. Driving under suspension with four pounds of marijuana in the trunk? It's MY fault since I'm a racist. Even the black officers are accused of being race haters and Uncle Toms, and the media desperately seeks another race riot/war because it brings in viewers who are tired of watching political talk all the time, since that's 85% of the "news" these days.

Race is a non-issue 99.99% of the time, but if you ask a black person, it's ALWAYS an issue. That disconnect is leading us to a race riot in Sanford, FL, and every time someone sympathizes with them, another log is thrown on the fire.

As for your facts, you've got it all wrong. The police call did not establish that Zimmerman chased Martin. In fact, it actually establishes that Zimmerman did NOT follow Martin. If you were chasing someone, would you continue to calmly talk to the 911 dispatcher for 4 minutes after stating you lost sight of the subject?

As for being a child, we've got grown men in high school. Mr. Martin was a man, regardless of his age, because age is simply a number used for legal purposes and has no bearing on stature, weight, strength, or mental capacity. Want proof?

Here's a 17 year old who killed both of his parents: http://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-allegedly ... d=14098996" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a 15 year old, killed both of his parents with his bare hands: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-o ... 5671.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another 17 year old killed his parents when they tossed $20 worth of marijuana: http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/09/te ... _marij.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another 15 year old strangled his parents: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... chool.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here's a 17 year old who killed one and injured an off-duty police officer during a home invasion: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... vasion.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Simple fact, you need to understand that these "children" are a threat just the same as any man. They're more athletic than older guy, have more testosterone, and usually have more pent up rage and anger without being able to control it as well. Martin was 6 foot 2, 170lbs, a football athlete, and had gotten in to fights with a "grown man" bus driver. Any wonder why most murders are committed by people aged 17-24? A grown teenager is usually more of a threat than someone who is 35-40, simple fact. You act like a man, we're going to treat you like one.

Finally, you really need to watch your manners around here. This forum focuses on polite discussion, and even if you disagree with someone, you need to do it politely. Saying "bull crap" to a moderator in all caps is a surefire way to get banned. I hope you last longer than a couple days around here. You have 6 posts. Nobody will miss you if you get yourself banned.
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