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The writer contacted me a few weeks ago regarding this article and has finally published it. It's a mostly even-handed article regarding reciprocity and references the incident which occurred with a fellow forumite (Mark Anderson) several weeks ago which can be found here. I think she put a negative spin on it in a few places, though, and she leaves the uneducated reader thinking (still) that reciprocity is some kind of "loophole."
For those that were following the original incident, this is the attitude that was being displayed from most of the people I spoke with that weekend:
"I don't think the people of the state of Ohio understand that other states can dictate who carries a gun in Ohio. By us signing this reciprocity agreement, we're allowing Florida to tell us who in Ohio can carry a gun," said Assistant Lucas County Prosecutor Jeff Lingo, chief of the office's criminal division.
"If you live in the state of Ohio and laws of the state of Ohio govern your conduct, why shouldn't you be required to get an Ohio permit?"
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The bill also changes the definition of "loaded firearm in a vehicle" to mean that a gun is loaded when the magazine is inserted into the gun. Loaded now means the magazine is in the vehicle.
She must be referring to those Hollywood magazines that never run out of ammo.
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It is a pretty high probability that the next legislative session in Texas will see a bill passed that requires Texas residents to have a Texas license before any non-resident reciprocal privileges are recognized. A Texas resident with a FL license would explicitly not be honored in Texas, unless they also had a Texas CHL for example.
There have been CHL instructors down here that were first advertising you could get a Utah non-resident license for less hours, no range time, and cheaper. When Utah made the requirement that you must have your home state's license to be eligible for a Utah non-resident, it quenched that fire a bit.
Then those jackwagons started advertising and attending Texas gun shows to show how to get a VA non-resident license for minimal output.
The political quote here by someone "in the know" was, "Never underestimate how irritated a legislator can get when someone is clearly sidestepping legislative intent."
BobK wrote:
The political quote here by someone "in the know" was, "Never underestimate how irritated a legislator can get when someone is clearly sidestepping legislative tax."
BobK wrote:
The political quote here by someone "in the know" was, "Never underestimate how irritated a legislator can get when someone is clearly sidestepping legislative tax."
Lemme fix that for you.
Winner.
CHL's should be free, you shouldn't have to pay for a "Right" that's recognized by the State and US Constitution when its stated these powers/rights are granted by GOD and recognized herein as such. Its all about taxes if they feel like they are missing out on $5 bucks they are going to be upset.
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BobK wrote:
The political quote here by someone "in the know" was, "Never underestimate how irritated a legislator can get when someone is clearly sidestepping legislative tax."
Lemme fix that for you.
Winner.
CHL's should be free, you shouldn't have to pay for a "Right" that's recognized by the State and US Constitution when its stated these powers/rights are granted by GOD and recognized herein as such. Its all about taxes if they feel like they are missing out on $5 bucks they are going to be upset.
They can tax anything they dang well please. John Roberts said so.
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"I don't think the people of the state of Ohio understand that other states can dictate who carries a gun in Ohio. By us signing this reciprocity agreement, we're allowing Florida to tell us who in Ohio can carry a gun," said Assistant Lucas County Prosecutor Jeff Lingo, chief of the office's criminal division.
"If you live in the state of Ohio and laws of the state of Ohio govern your conduct, why shouldn't you be required to get an Ohio permit?"
sodbuster:
What makes me glad I don't live in his area is that generally other states require at least some form of background checking & training, and that you must obey Ohio's firearms laws if you're going to carry in OH....
Not to mention it not being a "permit". It's a "License", and while that's potentially offensive to have to get a license, I suppose one could call it a recognition of the effort to get some training....
A hit piece against reciprocity.... Just what we needed....
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I can OC and not pay a darn thing or get trained on anything, to conceal I must take a class that has a fee, submit a separate application that has a fee. It's a tax on a right no matter how you cut it.
pleasantguywhopacks wrote:I can OC and not pay a darn thing or get trained on anything, to conceal I must take a class that has a fee, submit a separate application that has a fee. It's a tax on a right no matter how you cut it.
Personally I hope when the NRA gets carry outside the home brought up to the Supreme Court that your point is pressured hard on them. It'll be interesting if they weigh on CC vs OC in the verdict, hopefully they'd do both and say both are 100% free and a right. Of course, after the Obamacare ruling, not sure how much faith I have in the justices.
I am not a lawyer. My answers are based on research, knowledge, and are generally backed up with facts, the Ohio Revised Code, or the United States Code.
Maj. Ronald Keel of the Lucas County Sheriff's Department said that lack of knowledge makes traffic stops more dangerous. When deputies stop a vehicle, they check the license plate before they approach the driver. But if an Ohio driver has a concealed-carry permit from another state, that information won't show up on their computer.
Visitors and travelers can drive in Ohio with out-of-state licenses, but must get an Ohio driver's license if they're going to live here. State fishing licenses have limited reciprocity. Ohio hunting licenses are not reciprocal at all. A permit to carry a concealed lethal weapon should be at least as strict.
Yet state lawmakers are considering weakening the permit laws even more. A proposed bill would require the state to accept permits issued by other states that recognize Ohio permits. Toby Hoover, executive director of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, calls the bill a "lowest common denominator" approach to gun permits.
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Groups such as Ohioans for Concealed Carry say it's OK for a clerk with a rubber stamp in Tallahassee or Salt Lake City to decide which Ohio residents can carry concealed weapons, because that's what Ohioans want. That doesn't seem likely.
They sure are trying to twist the facts and make OFCC sound bad.
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Winner. 
