Toledo Blade article on reciprocity

[Werz]

"Facts are unimportant to a true-believing liberal..."

Actually, the same can be said of any hardcore ideologue.

[Beskar'gam]

Maj. Ronald Keel of the Lucas County Sheriff's Department said that lack of knowledge makes traffic stops more dangerous

And how is that exactly? CHL holders in any state are at least subject to a background check. Ohio AG's own records show that CHL are generally perfectly law-abiding citizens

Groups such as Ohioans for Concealed Carry say it's OK for a clerk with a rubber stamp in Tallahassee or Salt Lake City to decide which Ohio residents can carry concealed weapons, because that's what Ohioans want.

I wonder if that is really what the general public believes? I am assuming at least one of us is already writing a counterpoint. At least those readers who are offering rebuttals in the comments section seem better informed - I see you in there pleasantguy

[sodbuster95]

Maj. Ronald Keel of the Lucas County Sheriff's Department said that lack of knowledge makes traffic stops more dangerous

And how is that exactly? CHL holders in any state are at least subject to a background check. Ohio AG's own records show that CHL are generally perfectly law-abiding citizens

Oh, I agree with him. It DOES make the stop more dangerous...FOR THE CHL HOLDER.

Lack of knowledge of the law by a law enforcement officer has the potential to result in an officer overreacting which could lead to an officer doing something as simple as handling a firearm he is unfamiliar with for "officer safety" (so as to disarm the CHL driver) or something as complicated as conducting a felony stop (I.E., weapons drawn, etc.) for no reason other than the mistaken belief that only a LEO is "allowed" to have a gun.

And, of course, we cannot forget the danger to a CHL driver who gets charged with failure to inform because of the vagueness of THAT law.

So, yeah, Major Keel is correct - there is too much lack of knowledge. What's he doing to train his deputies? I volunteered to sit down with him, or his deputies, and go over the laws and requirements. So far, I've gotten no response.

[Beskar'gam]

Maj. Ronald Keel of the Lucas County Sheriff's Department said that lack of knowledge makes traffic stops more dangerous

And how is that exactly? CHL holders in any state are at least subject to a background check. Ohio AG's own records show that CHL are generally perfectly law-abiding citizens

Oh, I agree with him. It DOES make the stop more dangerous...FOR THE CHL HOLDER.

Lack of knowledge of the law by a law enforcement officer has the potential to result in an officer overreacting which could lead to an officer doing something as simple as handling a firearm he is unfamiliar with for "officer safety" (so as to disarm the CHL driver) or something as complicated as conducting a felony stop (I.E., weapons drawn, etc.) for no reason other than the mistaken belief that only a LEO is "allowed" to have a gun.

And, of course, we cannot forget the danger to a CHL driver who gets charged with failure to inform because of the vagueness of THAT law.

So, yeah, Major Keel is correct - there is too much lack of knowledge. What's he doing to train his deputies? I volunteered to sit down with him, or his deputies, and go over the laws and requirements. So far, I've gotten no response.

With you all the way on that. The major reason that I do my best to obey all traffic laws is not just that I don't want a ticket - I don't want the encounter. And actually, I had just gotten my CHL license when all that business with He Who Shall Not Be Named (No, not Voldemorte ) was going on in Canton

[Werz]

Lack of knowledge of the law by a law enforcement officer has the potential to result in an officer overreacting which could lead to an officer doing something as simple as handling a firearm he is unfamiliar with for "officer safety" (so as to disarm the CHL driver) or something as complicated as conducting a felony stop (I.E., weapons drawn, etc.) for no reason other than the mistaken belief that only a LEO is "allowed" to have a gun.

And that is the real reason for requiring notification, too.

I'm beginning to realize, though, that it goes beyond a simple lack of knowledge. From the time they enter academy, they are trained - almost on the level of Pavlovian conditioning - to react with a drawn weapon to any audio or visual stimulus which says, "Gun!"

[Tourist]

Lack of knowledge of the law by a law enforcement officer has the potential to result in an officer overreacting which could lead to an officer doing something as simple as handling a firearm he is unfamiliar with for "officer safety" (so as to disarm the CHL driver) or something as complicated as conducting a felony stop (I.E., weapons drawn, etc.) for no reason other than the mistaken belief that only a LEO is "allowed" to have a gun.

And that is the real reason for requiring notification, too.

I'm beginning to realize, though, that it goes beyond a simple lack of knowledge. From the time they enter academy, they are trained - almost on the level of Pavlovian conditioning - to react with a drawn weapon to any audio or visual stimulus which says, "Gun!"

We seem to be one of the few States with officers so "conditioned" that they can not use their eyes and brains. Most of the officers in States without notification must be superior to ours since there seems to be no problem in those states.

[Beskar'gam]

Lack of knowledge of the law by a law enforcement officer has the potential to result in an officer overreacting which could lead to an officer doing something as simple as handling a firearm he is unfamiliar with for "officer safety" (so as to disarm the CHL driver) or something as complicated as conducting a felony stop (I.E., weapons drawn, etc.) for no reason other than the mistaken belief that only a LEO is "allowed" to have a gun.

And that is the real reason for requiring notification, too.

I'm beginning to realize, though, that it goes beyond a simple lack of knowledge. From the time they enter academy, they are trained - almost on the level of Pavlovian conditioning - to react with a drawn weapon to any audio or visual stimulus which says, "Gun!"

We seem to be one of the few States with officers so "conditioned" that they can not use their eyes and brains. Most of the officers in States without notification must be superior to ours since there seems to be no problem in those states.

Gotta wonder how some of ours might fair is states like Vermont - geez, every stop would be a felony stop