Wikileaks finds fear of "domestic violence" in 2008.

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Wikileaks finds fear of "domestic violence" in 2008.

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McCain felt the crowds assembled in support of Obama and such would be detrimental to our country and it would do our nation no good for this to drag out like last go around, coupled with the possibility of domestic violence. (Emphasis added.)
Be warned, to conform with forum rules, this discussion will not turn in to a political discussion. I felt this story was relevant because of the quoted line above, how it relates to the philosophy of 2A, and how this may effect the future of 2A.

So, now it's out. McCain knew Obama's crew fixed the elections in PA and OH all along, but one of the reasons they specifically didn't pursue it was because of "domestic violence," a.k.a., violent protests and armed rebellion. Is a fixed election enough to spark the fires of right wing rebellion? Will this development, brought about by Wikileaks (whom I believe is severely irresponsible, but that's neither here nor there), be yet another straw on the backs of the gun control camels? McCain was afraid of "domestic" violence. I wonder what O's cronies were afraid of...

Or was McCain afraid of leftist domestic violence? Was McCain afraid the crowds would turn into angry mobs simply because he would have been accusing the first black President of fixing an election? Doesn't this prove the 2A is alive and well, to defend ourselves against domestic violence from the left?

What are your thoughts?

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At issue is internal communication within a company in Texas called Stratfor. The company bills itself as a 'global intelligence service' that offers confidential information to large corporations and political entities.
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Ohio and PA switching would have had no impact on the result.
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Truthfully, did anyone expect that the Dems didn't do this? The old joke about Democrats "Vote early, vote often!"
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Morne wrote:Ohio and PA switching would have had no impact on the result.
Regardless, it would have cemented the perceived threat already present on the left and right. Conservatives were weary of the socialist Obama and his policies, especially since the NRA played up the threat to firearms ownership to an extreme. Throw in a few disenfranchised voters, and the fear becomes reality. "If they did it in OH and PA, where else did they do it!?" Grab the pitchforks.

Meanwhile, the liberals had their own organizations that had been frothing at the mouth since Bush v. Gore. Bush was an illegal president in their eyes, much the same way Obama is to a birther theorist. The first black (even just half) president, and McCain makes accusations of voter fraud? "Typical repubes, using the legal system to steal elections!" Grab the torches.

McCain was wise enough to see he couldn't win either way.
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I read Stratfor's intelligence every week. They are a very credible intelligence organization.
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Vex wrote:
Morne wrote:Ohio and PA switching would have had no impact on the result.
Regardless, it would have cemented the perceived threat already present on the left and right. Conservatives were weary of the socialist Obama and his policies, especially since the NRA played up the threat to firearms ownership to an extreme. Throw in a few disenfranchised voters, and the fear becomes reality. "If they did it in OH and PA, where else did they do it!?" Grab the pitchforks.

Meanwhile, the liberals had their own organizations that had been frothing at the mouth since Bush v. Gore. Bush was an illegal president in their eyes, much the same way Obama is to a birther theorist. The first black (even just half) president, and McCain makes accusations of voter fraud? "Typical repubes, using the legal system to steal elections!" Grab the torches.

McCain was wise enough to see he couldn't win either way.
I will admit to only being on my second cup of coffee....but did you just accuse the NRA of inciting violence?
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Well there is the Jefferson quote:
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There are areas in Ohio which have more registered voters than they have people, based upon the last census. There are always claims of voter fraud. Some of these claims are valid. Perhaps this is why one party wants photo ID and one doesn't want photo ID to vote. Both Eric Holder and Donna Brazile believe making photo ID mandatory for voting is racist.

Having said the above, Sen McCain ran a horrible campaign. I don't think factoring out any alleged Ohio vote fraud would have mattered in the final result.
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Tweed Ring wrote:Having said the above, Sen McCain ran a horrible campaign. I don't think factoring out any alleged Ohio vote fraud would have mattered in the final result.
Exactly. Even if every allegation of voter fraud in 2008 were borne out to be true McCain would still have lost. I see no reason to jump off the cliff for a loser.

Now if we get a close election, unlike in 2008, where there are legitimate claims of voter fraud then I will express my desire to see those claims thoroughly addressed.

Organized political violence is the province of the gun banners, not us. Look at who sought to deny blacks in the south the right to be armed for many years after emancipation. They are the same people who are trying to deny all of us, "Unimportant little people," our right to be armed today. Elitist attitudes inevitably lead one down this path.
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Tweed Ring wrote:There are areas in Ohio which have more registered voters than they have people ......"
Looks like maybe the local Democrat Party forgot to remove the names of more recently deceased voters from their eligibility lists ? :|
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Morne wrote: Now if we get a close election, unlike in 2008, where there are legitimate claims of voter fraud then I will express my desire to see those claims thoroughly addressed.

:cry: Probably with about as much success as the birth certificate issue..... :oops:
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Morne wrote: I will admit to only being on my second cup of coffee....but did you just accuse the NRA of inciting violence?
Not entirely, and I don't believe they do it intentionally. I think they're so desperate for donations and membership that they'll say anything. They were big promoters of the "Watch out for the Blue helmets" fear monger a few years ago. Sorry, but you only get to cry wolf a few times.

So you've commented on right-wing violence... any thoughts on the left wing aspect? Perhaps McCain wasn't worried about his own people, he was more worried about Obama's supporters causing the violence over accusations of voter fraud.
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Vex wrote:So you've commented on right-wing violence... any thoughts on the left wing aspect? Perhaps McCain wasn't worried about his own people, he was more worried about Obama's supporters causing the violence over accusations of voter fraud.
Actually, in my last post I addressed the violence of the other side. It is nothing new to them. We responsible folks do not riot, they do. Even our public demonstrations are polite.

No one ever won anything by worrying about the temper tantrum that the other side might throw. If McCain was worried about that, it just reinforces what a loser he was.
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Not only are the huge majority of demonstrations on the Right civil and polite, but we tend to not inflate our numbers, and we clean up after ourselves.
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