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Interesting level of craftsmanship here.
Assuming the base firearm is not itself illegal- 26" oal, 18" bbl- is it even a crime to do this, as long as you are not doing anything else illegal?
There's a bunch of Ruger 10-22 rifles that look like science fiction guns too.
PD shows confiscated Super-Soaker shotgun
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I could see this not being a very smart idea BUT I doubt it's actually illegal (yet) as the only alterations are to the cosmetics. Love seeing all those neat 10/22 conversions you mentioned! My favorite so far has been this one:
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Re: PD shows confiscated Super-Soaker shotgun
I wonder if they are classifying it an an AOW. A briefcase gun doesn't look like a gun either.evan price wrote: is it even a crime to do this, as long as you are not doing anything else illegal?
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Re: PD shows confiscated Super-Soaker shotgun
The orange tip may be a problem, too. That's supposed to mean "inoperable replica," is it not? I'm not sure if that's codified, or just done by agreement.
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^ IIRC, from my airsoft days, there are laws on the books regarding replicas/look-a-likes, but how it is enforced (or even interpreted) can be quite variable (i.e. the way that some read it, such a marking is only applicable to transport, but exactly what defines "transport" can be open to interpretation, too). Airsoft Ohio, I believe, did explore this topic at one point.
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Re: PD shows confiscated Super-Soaker shotgun
Bingo..TSiWRX wrote:^ IIRC, from my airsoft days, there are laws on the books regarding replicas/look-a-likes, but how it is enforced (or even interpreted) can be quite variable (i.e. the way that some read it, such a marking is only applicable to transport, but exactly what defines "transport" can be open to interpretation, too). Airsoft Ohio, I believe, did explore this topic at one point.
You may remove the orange tip after it gets in your hands but to be imported in it has to have the tip. Not aware of anyone making airsoft guns in the US. All are Asian made.
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^ Well....
Daisy used to market a low-end airsoft line as "Soft Air" and "AirStrike" - I think they still do.
Several companies have also brought to-market various look-alikes that are classified as "airguns" - S&W, as you know, has the M&P-auto replicas in .177 caliber, using 12-gram CO2 cartridges, but they're not alone: Magnum Research's Desert Eagle can also be had in this format, as can a couple of H&K offerings (i.e. the P30 and USP), and the Walther P99 look-alike "CP99". Sig's P226, SP2022, and the GSR are also on-market now, and so is Jericho's 941 and the Mini-Uzi (yep, I've got the Pyramyd Air catalog for this year - I've been out of the airsoft hobby way to long to be able to do all of that by-recall ). Most of these are, IIRC, indeed made overseas, but they do bear authentic trademarks, under licensing for our market (which was a big problem for gray-market import airsoft replicas, in years past) - nevertheless, many of these "airguns" do not bear any kind of muzzle/barrel paint/marking whatsoever.
Again, for the "airsoft" replicas, the law is not quite as straightforward as what many believe:
http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/showt ... p?p=249476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Which in-turn specifically references: http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/showp ... stcount=14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
..."entering into commerce" is indeed a key point, but the "transport" wording could also pose a problem - not only for airsoft hobbyists who attend live gaming or other such events, but also even for firearms enthusiasts who use airsoft for training purposes, be it BB-IPSC, Force-on-Force, or just backyard plinking. Complicating the matter are metallic 6mm BBs. Regardless, there's so much misconception and hearsay that it all has the potential to be quite volatile - a danger for everyone involved.
And again, of course, this overlaps into the criminal aspect, too. One of the reasons why I really dislike any laws requiring toy guns to bear specific markings or even paint-schemes is that it assumes that whomever is being threatened by the item will have the capability to visually identify that it is a "toy" versus a "gun" - i.e. that there's enough lighting, etc. (kids never play cops-and-robbers in the dark, right?) - and that the bad people won't wise-up and disguise a real gun as a "toy" (in getting back on-topic : honestly, I think that the folks cited in this particular segment went above and beyond, IIRC, back in the early Oughts, there was a case out in California where a suspect used a gun that had literally been painted fluorescent).
As for us law-abiding folks (including our kids)?
I think that just a little common-sense goes a long way. Remember that some of these toys do look like real firearms, and conduct yourself accordingly. Similarly, use good common sense when it comes to safety - when you're in a FoF scenario, the usual gun-safety rules cannot really apply, but if you're plinking or even hunting with a high-powered air-rifle (think .22 caliber pellets, at perhaps an average of 18 grains, in excess of 1300 fps.), you'll probably want to go by the usual Solid-Gold Firearms Safety Rules.
Daisy used to market a low-end airsoft line as "Soft Air" and "AirStrike" - I think they still do.
Several companies have also brought to-market various look-alikes that are classified as "airguns" - S&W, as you know, has the M&P-auto replicas in .177 caliber, using 12-gram CO2 cartridges, but they're not alone: Magnum Research's Desert Eagle can also be had in this format, as can a couple of H&K offerings (i.e. the P30 and USP), and the Walther P99 look-alike "CP99". Sig's P226, SP2022, and the GSR are also on-market now, and so is Jericho's 941 and the Mini-Uzi (yep, I've got the Pyramyd Air catalog for this year - I've been out of the airsoft hobby way to long to be able to do all of that by-recall ). Most of these are, IIRC, indeed made overseas, but they do bear authentic trademarks, under licensing for our market (which was a big problem for gray-market import airsoft replicas, in years past) - nevertheless, many of these "airguns" do not bear any kind of muzzle/barrel paint/marking whatsoever.
Again, for the "airsoft" replicas, the law is not quite as straightforward as what many believe:
http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/showt ... p?p=249476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Which in-turn specifically references: http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/showp ... stcount=14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
..."entering into commerce" is indeed a key point, but the "transport" wording could also pose a problem - not only for airsoft hobbyists who attend live gaming or other such events, but also even for firearms enthusiasts who use airsoft for training purposes, be it BB-IPSC, Force-on-Force, or just backyard plinking. Complicating the matter are metallic 6mm BBs. Regardless, there's so much misconception and hearsay that it all has the potential to be quite volatile - a danger for everyone involved.
And again, of course, this overlaps into the criminal aspect, too. One of the reasons why I really dislike any laws requiring toy guns to bear specific markings or even paint-schemes is that it assumes that whomever is being threatened by the item will have the capability to visually identify that it is a "toy" versus a "gun" - i.e. that there's enough lighting, etc. (kids never play cops-and-robbers in the dark, right?) - and that the bad people won't wise-up and disguise a real gun as a "toy" (in getting back on-topic : honestly, I think that the folks cited in this particular segment went above and beyond, IIRC, back in the early Oughts, there was a case out in California where a suspect used a gun that had literally been painted fluorescent).
As for us law-abiding folks (including our kids)?
I think that just a little common-sense goes a long way. Remember that some of these toys do look like real firearms, and conduct yourself accordingly. Similarly, use good common sense when it comes to safety - when you're in a FoF scenario, the usual gun-safety rules cannot really apply, but if you're plinking or even hunting with a high-powered air-rifle (think .22 caliber pellets, at perhaps an average of 18 grains, in excess of 1300 fps.), you'll probably want to go by the usual Solid-Gold Firearms Safety Rules.
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