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Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby wendellcrain » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:58 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/14/teacher-accidentally-discharges-firearm-in-calif-classroom-he-was-trained-in-gun-use/?utm_term=.81010b5aca48
Teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom. He was trained in gun use.

A teacher who is also a reserve police officer trained in firearm use accidentally discharged a gun Tuesday at Seaside High School in Monterey County, Calif., during a class devoted to public safety. A male student was reported to have sustained non-life-threatening injuries.

The weapon, which was not described, was pointed at the ceiling, according to a statement from the school, and debris fell from the ceiling.

Seaside Police Chief Abdul Pridgen told the Monterey County Weekly that a male student was “struck in the neck by ‘debris or fragmentation’ from something overhead.’” Pridgen said whatever hit the student was not a bullet.


Sounds kind of coincidental doesn't it? No mention of arrest, charges, etc. Can anyone say false flag?
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby M-Quigley » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:24 am

The article led off with he was a teacher and trained in gun use, and later mention that he is a cop. :roll:

Most of the people opposed to arming staff aren't opposed to armed police in school, only armed civilian school staff. The lie they repeat is no matter how much training or what procedures the school has regarding the carry of guns, "civilian" teachers are too stupid not to have a negligent discharge, or that they will accidentally shoot a student while shooting the bad guy. (as was recently stated in a school safety forum on WHIO radio :roll: ) IN fact, if I recall correctly (don't have a transcript) the woman used words like "highly trained police" and "armed teachers would be useless in a real shooting situation".

On the other hand, I've heard very few of those ignorant people say police aren't safe to be in a school with a gun. Most places that have armed civilian staff that I've read about either require them to carry chamber empty, or they don't even carry at all; the guns are in safes in various locations to be used when needed, like a fire extinguisher. So it could be said that the fact this guy was a cop led to him not having to follow the rules that ordinary mere mortals would've had to follow, So one could potentially imply that civilian armed school staff with a strict carry or access policy would've been safer than merely having a cop in the building without the restrictions. :roll: Of course it is California, so arming teachers isn't likely anyway, restrictions or not.

On a different note, why was this cops gun even out of the holster at all, even if it was a class on public safety? Just that fact alone sounds highly negligent to me. If he had needed a gun for some reason he could've used something other than his loaded duty weapon. Is there video of this class that might come out? It reminds me of the federal agent who said "I'm the only one in this room qualified to carry a gun" before he had a negligent discharge.
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby carmen fovozzo » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:17 am

A lot of people carry guns....a lot of people don't know how to use them..best left in the holster till you are about to die...
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby TSiWRX » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:31 am

M-Quigley wrote:The article led off with he was a teacher and trained in gun use, and later mention that he is a cop. :roll:


That was my problem with the article - and other similar reports of this incident - too.
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby qmti » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:14 am

carmen fovozzo wrote:A lot of people carry guns....a lot of people don't know how to use them..best left in the holster till you are about to die...


AND it's these idiots that are pro-gun that are in the news killing the rest of us pro-gunners and giving talking points for the anti's.
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby bignflnut » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:35 am

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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby M-Quigley » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:36 am

qmti wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:A lot of people carry guns....a lot of people don't know how to use them..best left in the holster till you are about to die...


AND it's these idiots that are pro-gun that are in the news killing the rest of us pro-gunners and giving talking points for the anti's.


How do you know the idiot was pro gun? Sure, he's pro gun for himself and other LE, but I haven't heard anything about his beliefs on ordinary citizens carrying? The clown who was formally a federal agent and said, "I'm the only one qualified to carry a gun" certainly wasn't what you'd call pro gun.

Recently a couple of law enforcement associations came out and essentially said that arming teachers who weren't law enforcement was a bad idea, but having armed LE in schools was a great idea. :roll: It was carried without comment or any challenge by several news sources. I wouldn't exactly call that self serving opinion pro gun.

The last time I was in Southern California (admittedly long time ago) a resident told me the prevailing attitude among police officials there regarding guns, concealed carry, etc, was basically, "Guns for me, but not for thee."
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby catfish86 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:29 am

Reading the article, he was teaching a "public safety course" and was going to use a real gun to demonstrate how to disarm someone. He was clearing the weapon for the demonstration when it went off. First question: don't they make blue guns for that purpose?

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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby qmti » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:34 pm

M-Quigley wrote:
qmti wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:A lot of people carry guns....a lot of people don't know how to use them..best left in the holster till you are about to die...


AND it's these idiots that are pro-gun that are in the news killing the rest of us pro-gunners and giving talking points for the anti's.


How do you know the idiot was pro gun? Sure, he's pro gun for himself and other LE, but I haven't heard anything about his beliefs on ordinary citizens carrying? The clown who was formally a federal agent and said, "I'm the only one qualified to carry a gun" certainly wasn't what you'd call pro gun.

Recently a couple of law enforcement associations came out and essentially said that arming teachers who weren't law enforcement was a bad idea, but having armed LE in schools was a great idea. :roll: It was carried without comment or any challenge by several news sources. I wouldn't exactly call that self serving opinion pro gun.

The last time I was in Southern California (admittedly long time ago) a resident told me the prevailing attitude among police officials there regarding guns, concealed carry, etc, was basically, "Guns for me, but not for thee."


You are correct, I should not have assumed he was pro-gun just because he was conducting a class. I should have just said negligent idiot.
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby Brian D. » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:35 pm

Further reading states that he had not been authorized to bring the gun in. That appears to violate state law, as well as school policy.
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Re: Teacher has ND in classroom

Postby M-Quigley » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:22 pm

Brian D. wrote:Further reading states that he had not been authorized to bring the gun in. That appears to violate state law, as well as school policy.


Maybe he thought because he was also a politician that he was above the law? :roll:
Perhaps the mayor should step in and tell the chief to fire him. Oh wait, :roll:

What makes the incident even more striking is that Alexander is a member (and currently mayor pro tem) of the (non-partisan) Seaside City Council, first elected in 2006. He’s also a former Peace Corps volunteer, a long-time community activist, and in general not a gun-nutty sort of guy, so far as we can tell. He’s very likely not a MAGA fan, either; aside from holding elected office in a very Democratic portion of a very Democratic Monterey County, Alexander’s main gig at Seaside High is teaching math in Spanish (the school’s student body is 89 percent minority).


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