Medical Marijuana... Lose Your Gun Rights!

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rickt wrote:Marijuana may not be as "benign" as a lot of people think.
Using marijuana raises the risk of stroke and heart failure even after accounting for demographic factors, other health conditions and lifestyle risk factors such as smoking and alcohol use, according to research scheduled for presentation at the American College of Cardiology’s 66th Annual Scientific Session.
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A research study that followed children from birth up to age 38 has found that people who smoked cannabis four or more days of the week over many years ended up in a lower social class than their parents, with lower-paying, less skilled and less prestigious jobs than those who were not regular cannabis smokers. These regular and persistent users also experienced more financial, work-related and relationship difficulties, which worsened as the number of years of regular cannabis use progressed.
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True, but that in and of itself should not strip you of your RKBA. I dare say you'd find similar issues with people who drink beer 4 or more days a week over many years.
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MacDonald wrote:OF COURSE cannabis impairs perception. That is why people like to use it!
duh

If perception is impaired in someone that person is not safe to drive.
If perception is impaired in someone that person is not safe to use a gun.

Both are potentially deadly weapons. Will there always be a problem? Of course not. But the probability increases.
Which at most should preclude possession while under the influence just like the prohibition against driving while under the influence, but not a blanket prohibition against possession in general.
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MacDonald wrote:OF COURSE cannabis impairs perception. That is why people like to use it!
duh

If perception is impaired in someone that person is not safe to drive.
If perception is impaired in someone that person is not safe to use a gun.

Both are potentially deadly weapons. Will there always be a problem? Of course not. But the probability increases.

I agree with you that THC is less harmful than alcohol. FAR less, but that is coming from an adult child of an alcoholic.
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Try defining sobriety, then we can define impaired/distracted and start taking people's property away from them!

Doesn't every gas station in America sell CBD oil now?
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JustaShooter wrote:True, but that in and of itself should not strip you of your RKBA. I dare say you'd find similar issues with people who drink beer 4 or more days a week over many years.
I wasn't addressing the RKBA, merely the use of the word "benign".
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"Doesn't every gas station in America sell CBD oil now?" CBD does not get people high. It puts the user to sleep and may alleviate minor pains.

THC is the canabanoid stoners are after.

And yes, there are many substances that impair a person. Sobriety is not being messed up by a foreign substance. Break-ups, etc. cause people to be emotionally compromised but can still remain sober. Coffee is not illegal, and many drugs are not subject to detection. But just try to introduce that into a court of law!
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MacDonald wrote: Sobriety is not being messed up by a foreign substance. Break-ups, etc. cause people to be emotionally compromised but can still remain sober. Coffee is not illegal, and many drugs are not subject to detection. But just try to introduce that into a court of law!
You're defining it as an antonym of "being messed up"? Is that some sort of impairment that has a legal definition which doesn't reference sobriety? You're using a circular definition. But aside from that...

Foreign to what? My body?
So it's not a chemical balance inside my body?
If I've had too much sugar, is that foreign? Or just the substances that have been declared illegal in a certain jurisdiction, making sobriety not an objective standard but one that varies by jurisdiction? Can we agree that we're seeking some objective, scientifically verifiable concept and not one that changes by state line?

My point, if it has eluded the audience, is that declaring someone sober or impaired by fiat does not make one more or less dangerous when operating a motor vehicle. (Similarly, traveling at or below the posted speed limit does not make one more or less safe on the highway.) That this fiat declaration of sobriety/drunkenness is no way to determine legal penalties which strip a person of their property rights or liberties.

Back to RKBA...a government declaration of which substances may or may not be in my system while I exercise my rights is the height of improper governmental power. Simply having government permission to obtain a substance certainly isn't enough to restrict my property rights or liberties, right?
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If it can't apply to the right to vote then it can't apply to RKBA! PERIOD!
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MacDonald wrote:"Doesn't every gas station in America sell CBD oil now?" CBD does not get people high. It puts the user to sleep and may alleviate minor pains.

THC is the canabanoid stoners are after.

And yes, there are many substances that impair a person. Sobriety is not being messed up by a foreign substance. Break-ups, etc. cause people to be emotionally compromised but can still remain sober. Coffee is not illegal, and many drugs are not subject to detection. But just try to introduce that into a court of law!
A lot of places do sell the CBD oil but under relations and law it is illegal to do so. In September the Ohio Board of Pharmacy classified CBD oil into the same category as medical marijuana and therefore it can only be sold by a medical marijuana dispensary. Unfortunately, Ohio has none of those. Also, all products have to be sold with a known source and known quantities of ingredients. Again, unfortunately Ohio has no way of testing and most current CBD oil places do not know where their product comes from so there is no way to legally sell it.

I think CBD oil from what I have read is very effective. Ohio screwed up on this one and anyone selling it risks becoming a felon. Users just risk possible arrest until their product can be tested and deemed to not contain THC.
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Cross one of the magical bridges from Ohio to Kentucky, all sorts of wonderful things happen: Sales tax is less, cigars and alcohol are cheaper, CBD oil is sold legally...and, you can carry your gun into most government buildings. Yes, even on an OHIO license.
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!

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Just recently read an article on CBD oil. Much of it does not have what you would want it to have (CBD) or not enough and or it has THC which can cause the user to fail a drug test. Lose their job, lose custody of their kids, have parole or probation revoked, etc.

As to a state legalizing, licensing and taxing federally scheduled drugs IMHO it is very foolish, the state and state employees are guilt of RICO violations.

But this thing with state legalized things that are illegal under federal law...and it's impact on gun ownership and CCW is not a new thing, it has been going on since states started doing that.

Next up in Colorado may be magic mushrooms. Same situation legally.

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I'm reading this thinking, where's the victim?
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