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I heard a news blurb at the bottom of the 8:00 hour saying that John Kasich signed some new gun regulation. More details at the top of the hour. I couldn't listen to the radio at 9:00 so I don't know any more news. Anybody know what new gun regulation(s) may have been signed?

He created new, redundant executive orders.

COLUMBUS, Gov. John Kasich signed an executive order late Monday afternoon requiring Ohio law enforcement to upload certain protection orders and warrants into a database that could prevent people from illegally buying firearms.

The executive order comes with a 39-page report showing gaps in crime reporting to the database, including a survey that found 39 percent of responding agencies didn't report any felony warrants to the system. Just 21 percent of respondents entered all civil protection orders into the system.

The executive order, which goes into effect immediately, includes sanctions to law enforcement agencies that don't comply, including financial penalties and loss of access to the database.

https://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ss ... cutiv.html

Not sure how penalizing someone by taking away access to the database you are trying to force them to submit, to is supposed to encourage timely submissions. Isn't that counter productive ?

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Many law enforcement agencies are not submitting information to the database because they don't have enough staff, don't fully understand how the database prevents people from illegally purchasing guns or lack the technology to upload fingerprints -- one of the requirements for the database, according to the report.

Kasich signed a separate executive order Monday that makes permanent a working group that has been studying how information is sent to the database. The working group compiled the information in the report.

The working group is made up of representatives of the Ohio Supreme Court, various police and sheriff's departments, state agencies, local governments and even Cuyahoga County Clerk of Courts Nailah K. Byrd

I guess since he can't get the legislature to move on his anti-gun proposals he went the executive order route to show he's trying to do something. Yeah, additional cost to taxpayers for more redundant procedures.

Bruenor wrote:Not sure how penalizing someone by taking away access to the database you are trying to force them to submit, to is supposed to encourage timely submissions. Isn't that counter productive ?

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Many law enforcement agencies are not submitting information to the database because they don't have enough staff, don't fully understand how the database prevents people from illegally purchasing guns or lack the technology to upload fingerprints -- one of the requirements for the database, according to the report.

Kasich signed a separate executive order Monday that makes permanent a working group that has been studying how information is sent to the database. The working group compiled the information in the report.

The working group is made up of representatives of the Ohio Supreme Court, various police and sheriff's departments, state agencies, local governments and even Cuyahoga County Clerk of Courts Nailah K. Byrd

Yup. I'd say his conversion from RINO to full blown dumbocrat is just about complete.

Bruenor wrote:Not sure how penalizing someone by taking away access to the database you are trying to force them to submit, to is supposed to encourage timely submissions. Isn't that counter productive ?

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Many law enforcement agencies are not submitting information to the database because they don't have enough staff, don't fully understand how the database prevents people from illegally purchasing guns or lack the technology to upload fingerprints -- one of the requirements for the database, according to the report.

Kasich signed a separate executive order Monday that makes permanent a working group that has been studying how information is sent to the database. The working group compiled the information in the report.

The working group is made up of representatives of the Ohio Supreme Court, various police and sheriff's departments, state agencies, local governments and even Cuyahoga County Clerk of Courts Nailah K. Byrd

My understanding is he is denying them access to all of LEADS for failure to comply. That then makes the officers lose access to BMV, warrants, etc. Sure, there is officer safety items in there as well, but his order lets the department decide where they want to put officer safety. After all, if you don't upload the guy you arrest for assault on a law enforcement officer ten times, then obviously you don't care about officer safety for other departments, so why should the state care about it for your department?

You're 2020 Democrat Presidential candidate from Ohio?

My questions:
What procedures are in place to REMOVE someone from the list after a restraining order is lifted?
What will it cost the person?
How long will it take to get their 2nd amendment rights back?

AlanM wrote:My questions:
What procedures are in place to REMOVE someone from the list after a restraining order is lifted?
What will it cost the person?
How long will it take to get their 2nd amendment rights back?

It should all be within a reasonable time frame. LEADS does not like info in their systems that is not current or accurate and it can be a huge violation to leave it in there. Fora protection order, there is no reason for it to be in more than 24 hours after the case is dropped.

AlanM wrote:My questions:
What procedures are in place to REMOVE someone from the list after a restraining order is lifted?
What will it cost the person?
How long will it take to get their 2nd amendment rights back?

"We've got top men working on that, Dr. AlanM."
This problem is not new. Until there is serious criminal penalty for record keeping failure, and not just faced by low level clerks, things won't change.

PERFECT-O TIMING from Ohio's default numero Uno Republican, just as new polls are showing neck-n-neck race between DeWine and Cordray

Other (R)s running to represent Ohio lagging

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As also reported on local radio news just yesterday

Angering a key component of the party base, not a good election time strategy; unless thinking narrowly, and for an alterior motive.....hmm....

Brian D. wrote:

AlanM wrote:My questions:
What procedures are in place to REMOVE someone from the list after a restraining order is lifted?
What will it cost the person?
How long will it take to get their 2nd amendment rights back?

"We've got top men working on that, Dr. AlanM."
This problem is not new. Until there is serious criminal penalty for record keeping failure, and not just faced by low level clerks, things won't change.

There is serious penalty. Unfortunately, they are rarely enforced. And an agency can fail a LEADS audit (which are done every 3 years) but correct the mistakes and be in compliance for the next 3 years. If they started getting serious and yanking access, which is what Kasich is threatening to do, then agencies will finally see value in making the system accurate.

And let me tell you, Ohio is not alone. I spent an hour on the phone a few months back telling an agency in another state they had the wrong social security number entered. The person I talked to said her paperwork showed it was correct. I argued saying check the entry and run it, it's not correct. They finally did and said the clerks across the street must have entered it wrong. So much for all entries must be double checked.

Jedi, I keep flashing back to the mass shooting by the ex-Air Force guy. His disqualifying information should have been entered into the system, but wasn't. If the matter had been pressed (maybe it was, I lost track), they would try to pin the blame on some low level enlisted clerk, not the brass who ordered him to keep shuffling such work to the bottom of his inbox.

That's the point I was trying to make.