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Does Texas Massacre Change Ohio?

Postby bignflnut » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:56 am

Do any of the people who have sat and discussed Concealed Carry laws with our Deeply Crimson GOP legislators see the Texas Massacre producing new legislation to encourage and not demonize/criminalize carrying in churches or other CPZs?

In short, do any votes change? Are churches going to get on board with serious legal protection for parishioners?
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Re: Does Texas Massacre Change Ohio?

Postby JediSkipdogg » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:12 pm

I think there may be a push for it but like every time it hits a stone walls. The problem is when concealed carry was first created, they exempted churches but gave them permission to allow it. All talks pretty much end with its allowed if the church wishes to. It's hard to change so thing with that exemption.
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Re: Does Texas Massacre Change Ohio?

Postby WestonDon » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:26 pm

I would like to see churches treated like any other private property but I agree that as long as churches can opt out (or opt in depending on your point of view) it'll probably never happen. Maybe we could at least get the penalty reduced to a misdemeanor.
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Re: Does Texas Massacre Change Ohio?

Postby JustaShooter » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:25 pm

Agree with the above - hard to get traction for a change when the response is "well they can allow i if they want". Also, there are big, powerful religious groups who lobby against the change, and have sufficient money and influence to keep the status quo.

My fix, short of removing it from the statutory no-carry list, would be to get the decriminalization bill passed.
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Re: Does Texas Massacre Change Ohio?

Postby Mustang380gal » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:27 pm

JustaShooter wrote:Agree with the above - hard to get traction for a change when the response is "well they can allow i if they want". Also, there are big, powerful religious groups who lobby against the change, and have sufficient money and influence to keep the status quo.

My fix, short of removing it from the statutory no-carry list, would be to get the decriminalization bill passed.

I would like it to be off the statutory no-carry list, too. Decriminalized to a trespass violation would be a huge improvement.

Of course, those of us that go to churches with schools in them are still stuck. :(
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Re: Does Texas Massacre Change Ohio?

Postby M-Quigley » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:27 pm

Before the Texas church shooting, a friend of my wife's invited us to come to a service at her church. I told this woman that I was leery of going anyplace with a large gathering of people without being able to conceal carry, due to the unfortunate possibility nowadays of some madman coming in and committing a mass shooting. I asked her would the pastor allow me to carry if it was well concealed? She didn't know, but she would check on it. The last time we saw her she said she had talked to the pastor, and that the pastor didn't want to give me advance permission, because he was afraid if I did something wrong, he'd be held responsible. Of course that's not true, but it probably doesn't matter anyway. I was also told that this was a small church out in the country, around fifty parishioners on average, and the chances of a mass shooting happening there in that little place were almost non existent. :roll: Sound familiar? Again, this was before the Texas shooting. Also something about an armed person might make other parishioners uncomfortable, (apparently they didn't hear or care about the "well concealed" part), and that a person should just leave their guns at home on Sunday, that a gun shouldn't really be in the house of the Lord anyway. I guess somebody forgot to tell the Texas shooter. :(

She then told the pastor that I was an ex cop, and probably wouldn't attend unless he could carry something for protection. I didn't tell her to tell him that. He then told her that in that case, since I was "qualified" to carry a gun, :?: that if I kept it well concealed, he wouldn't tell anybody. He still wouldn't give me advance permission though. :roll: Of course I'm not there on Sundays under those terms. I'm curious though what the opinion of the pastor is post Texas.
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