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SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's rof

Postby rickt » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:25 pm

I suppose this bill was inevitable. Normally anti-gun bills have no traction in the Republican dominated General Assembly. Will that continue?

S. B. No. 219 - Senator Thomas.
Cosponsors: Senators Schiavoni, Sykes, Yuko, Brown, Tavares.
To amend sections 2923.13 and 2923.14 and to enact section 2923.133 of the Revised Code to prohibit certain conduct regarding trigger cranks, bump-fire devices, and other items that accelerate a semi-automatic firearm's rate of fire but do not convert it into an automatic firearm.


https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA132-SB-219
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby Javelin Man » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:37 pm

I would demand that any item to be banned would have to be EXACTLY named and described. No ambiguous or "other items" in the language.

Then we can discuss its demise as a bill.
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby steves 50de » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:38 pm

Javelin Man wrote:I would demand that any item to be banned would have to be EXACTLY named and described. No ambiguous or "other items" in the language.

Then we can discuss its demise as a bill.

Soon they will want your finger removed if you pull the trigger to fast. :roll:
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby WestonDon » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:22 pm

Javelin Man wrote:I would demand that any item to be banned would have to be EXACTLY named and described. No ambiguous or "other items" in the language.

Then we can discuss its demise as a bill.


Agreed. That oughta keep 'em busy for a while. They might even have to think about what they are doing.

Trouble is on the face this sounds perfectly reasonable to the uninformed. Even some gun owners who don't get into the weeds about guns and gun laws.

There will be a lot of..."I believe in the second amendment but"...in the conversations about this bill.
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby Chuck » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:23 pm

Here's the relevant section:

Sec. 2923.133. (A) On and after the date that is one
hundred eighty days after the effective date of this section, no
person shall import, manufacture, sell, transfer, or possess a
trigger crank, a bump-fire device, or any part, combination of
parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is
designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic
firearm but not convert the semi-automatic firearm
into an automatic firearm.
(B) This section does not apply with respect to the
importation for, manufacture for, sale to, transfer to, or
possession of any item specified in division (A) of this section
by or under authority of the United States or any department or
agency of the United States or by this state, any other state,
or a department, agency, or political subdivision of this state
or any other state.
(C) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is
guilty of "illegal rate-of-fire acceleration conduct," a felony
of the fourth degree.



Firstly, notice they exempt the government (so they can keep the ones you turn in)
Second, They are creating a whole new piece of law that doesn't exist currently, ORC 2923.133
Thirdly, notice the term "any part, combination of
parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is
designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire"
That could be anything from elevated sights to a pistol grip to a barrel shroud
Make no doubt about it, they want the entire AR platform banned in the end
And fourthly: the mere possession of this piece of plastic will become a felony.

Rest assured, OFCC will be tracking this bill and will let you know if and when any action is needed
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby qmti » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:43 am

steves 50de wrote:
Javelin Man wrote:I would demand that any item to be banned would have to be EXACTLY named and described. No ambiguous or "other items" in the language.

Then we can discuss its demise as a bill.

Soon they will want your finger removed if you pull the trigger to fast. :roll:


Jerry Miculek"s finger would be banned from coming into Ohio since his trigger finger is the fastest in the world.
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby WY_Not » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 am

As one of my favorite radio personalities used to say... "Everything before but is BS."

WestonDon wrote:
Javelin Man wrote:I would demand that any item to be banned would have to be EXACTLY named and described. No ambiguous or "other items" in the language.

Then we can discuss its demise as a bill.


Agreed. That oughta keep 'em busy for a while. They might even have to think about what they are doing.

Trouble is on the face this sounds perfectly reasonable to the uninformed. Even some gun owners who don't get into the weeds about guns and gun laws.

There will be a lot of..."I believe in the second amendment but"...in the conversations about this bill.
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby M-Quigley » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:40 pm

qmti wrote:
steves 50de wrote:
Javelin Man wrote:I would demand that any item to be banned would have to be EXACTLY named and described. No ambiguous or "other items" in the language.

Then we can discuss its demise as a bill.

Soon they will want your finger removed if you pull the trigger to fast. :roll:


Jerry Miculek"s finger would be banned from coming into Ohio since his trigger finger is the fastest in the world.


It wouldn't be far fetched, considering the language in the bill.

C) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is
guilty of "illegal rate-of-fire acceleration conduct," a felony
of the fourth degree.


and what is the definition of conduct in an electronic dictionary?

Conduct: the manner in which a person behaves, especially on a particular occasion or in a particular context.

Inanimate objects by themselves are not capable of conduct, are they?
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby Chuck » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:41 pm

Our latest email before it's sent.

Fellow pro-gun Ohioans,


The anti-gun forces are trying exactly what we warned you they would do. Senate Bill 219 has been introduced to the Ohio Senate to ban any device that can "accelerate rate of fire" like the much-maligned bump-stocks. Obviously, OFCC stands firmly against this:


https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legisl ... 132-SB-219


OFCC is fighting back. See this 2-part video where one of our distinguished members, Mike Newbern, debates a gun control advocate in a special aired by Spectrum Cable this past Sunday:
http://spectrumlocalnews.com/section/in ... gun-debate
http://spectrumlocalnews.com/section/in ... ump-stocks


Don't forget about the November 4 & 5 class by accomplished author Andrew Branca. Tell your friends, especially those involved in legal practice as they can get Continuing Legal Education units for attending. These classes are being co-hosted by Munitions Law Group, OFCC, and The American Legion Department of Ohio:


http://tinyurl.com/kyp4u4b





If you think that we should be continuing the fight against these reactionary pieces of anti-gun legislation please help OFCC by donating to the cause here:

https://ohioccw.org/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=484


If you aren't yet an OFCC member please join here:
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Sincerely,


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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby JEaton » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:20 am

Well since none of the stocks, cranks nor anything else are capable of increasing the rate of fire above one round per trigger press, this bill really should not ban anything. :D

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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby WhyNot » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:05 am

''I would demand that ...''

The bill's author be given kite and ample string for same, and pointed towards the closest park or open field.
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby bignflnut » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:06 am

The email has hit the Ammoland website

Also, Mike's socks were rockin in that video.
You could see the nosepicking anti pop a fuse in his brain when Mike made the 1st Amendment-Youtube-TV function point (which the anti never refuted or even addressed).
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby Werz » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:55 am

Chuck wrote:That could be anything from elevated sights to a pistol grip to a barrel shroud

A barrel shroud?

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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby M-Quigley » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:36 pm

One of the WLW am 700 news broadcasts reported about the proposed legislation and Kasich's support of it. At the very end there was one sentence that said the Buckeye firearms association and Ohioans for concealed carry oppose it. because "it would reduce gun rights." No other reason given, nothing about how the wording of the legislation could be misused or anything. :roll:
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Re: SB 219: Prohibit accelerating semi-automatic firearm's

Postby WhyNot » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:56 pm

Kasich has become the new Bob Taft IMHO.
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