That's the procedure I use when I'm in a situation, such as an accident scene, where LEO is on scene. NOTE : Do NOT attempt to uncover your gun in front of LEO! Someone might get the wrong idea and ventilate you!qmti wrote:SOMEWHERE in this forum I read that a poor guy got charged for not notifying a forth officer that came onto the scene that he had a concealed weapon. I have decided that if I am evolved in a situation that multiple officers are arriving on a scene that I would simply tuck my shirt/coat behind my gun so it is open carry which is legal in Ohio to avoid this situation . Any thoughts on this?
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And you'll potentially be in violation of ORC 2923.12 (B)(2) and/or (3) vis a vis keeping one's hands in plain site and not having contact with a concealed handgun during a law enforcement encounter. Unconcealing definitely needs to be done in a prudent and timely manner.CroManGun wrote:That's the procedure I use when I'm in a situation, such as an accident scene, where LEO is on scene. NOTE : Do NOT attempt to uncover your gun in front of LEO! Someone might get the wrong idea and ventilate you!
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djthomas wrote:And you'll potentially be in violation of ORC 2923.12 (B)(2) and/or (3) vis a vis keeping one's hands in plain site and not having contact with a concealed handgun during a law enforcement encounter. Unconcealing definitely needs to be done in a prudent and timely manner.CroManGun wrote:That's the procedure I use when I'm in a situation, such as an accident scene, where LEO is on scene. NOTE : Do NOT attempt to uncover your gun in front of LEO! Someone might get the wrong idea and ventilate you!
Or just return to your car, if that's available, away from law enforcement, get in and disarm, and lock it up. Don't need to "notify" if it is not on your person. Am I going wrong here?
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That won't work for several reasons. If it's in your car, even in plain sight, it is legally considered concealed and you still must notify. Also, to disarm you are violating where the law says you must not touch it once the LEO has begun to approach.qmti wrote:Or just return to your car, if that's available, away from law enforcement, get in and disarm, and lock it up. Don't need to "notify" if it is not on your person. Am I going wrong here?
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There are 3 other firearms related bills scheduled for sponsor testimony at this hearing. HB 151 (Patmon) looks like a universal background check scheme.Chuck wrote:HB 142 - First committee hearing!!
Tuesday, April 25, at 4:00pm, the Ohio House committee on Federalism and Interstate Relations will have its first hearing on HB 142, repealing notification for CHL holders. This hearing is for SPONSOR testimony only, with Representative Wiggam being the only one to testify that day.
The committee usually meets in Room 115 in the Statehouse, but that is subject to change. Liberty minded citizens are encouraged to attend and support Rep. Wiggam as he testifies. If you do attend, please make your support known by wearing your OFCC gear, (or other pro-gun clothing)
Be aware that while you can have your gun in the Statehouse parking garage, you can't take it inside, and the nice OSHP guards at the metal detectors look very down on both spare mags and pocket knives and won't let you inside with them.
If you want to attend but don't know your way around down there, shoot me a PM and I will try to have someone meet you there.
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HB151, 152, and 153 are all by Representative Patmon:
HB151: "Universal" background checks
HB152: Requiring "firearm restricted" on a felon's hunting license (he can't hunt with a firearm)
HB153: Prohibiting sale of "replica" guns (with some exceptions)
At present none of these bills have any co-sponsors, while HB142 has fifteen. Perhaps 151-153 will quietly expire in committee?
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HB151: "Universal" background checks
HB152: Requiring "firearm restricted" on a felon's hunting license (he can't hunt with a firearm)
HB153: Prohibiting sale of "replica" guns (with some exceptions)
At present none of these bills have any co-sponsors, while HB142 has fifteen. Perhaps 151-153 will quietly expire in committee?
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As the late Tweed Ring would opine upon occasion, in the Ohio General Assembly the Democrats propose and the Republicans dispose.zeko wrote:At present none of these bills have any co-sponsors, while HB142 has fifteen. Perhaps 151-153 will quietly expire in committee?
I'm not saying we should ignore them, and when the time comes for opponent testimony those who can should participate, but I do not think there is much chance of movement for those bills.
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Even amongst his fellow party members, Rep. Patmon is known, well, as kind of special. I've met him before and he's a super nice guy, really passionate about his issues but he's got a bit of a Quixote streak to him. The cynic in me says one reason he's so anti-gun is that very few of his constituents are legally able to benefit from pro-gun legislation.
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Assuming this is still on..... Tuesday, April 25, at 4:00pm ?? Hate to drive 2 hrs each way to be disappointedChuck wrote:HB 142 - First committee hearing!!
Tuesday, April 25, at 4:00pm, the Ohio House committee on Federalism and Interstate Relations will have its first hearing on HB 142, repealing notification for CHL holders. This hearing is for SPONSOR testimony only, with Representative Wiggam being the only one to testify that day.
The committee usually meets in Room 115 in the Statehouse, but that is subject to change. Liberty minded citizens are encouraged to attend and support Rep. Wiggam as he testifies. If you do attend, please make your support known by wearing your OFCC gear, (or other pro-gun clothing)
Be aware that while you can have your gun in the Statehouse parking garage, you can't take it inside, and the nice OSHP guards at the metal detectors look very down on both spare mags and pocket knives and won't let you inside with them.
If you want to attend but don't know your way around down there, shoot me a PM and I will try to have someone meet you there.
Carry on and stay safe out there
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Not only is it still on, Representative Patmon will also be giving sponsor testimony on THREE ANTI-GUN bills he has introduced!
Safe storage, universal background checks, and something else I forget
Don't miss it!
Unfortunately, I will miss it due to work
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Safe storage, universal background checks, and something else I forget
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His three bills, all reruns because he just won't stop pandering to his moron voters, are listed a few posts back, Chuck.Chuck wrote:Not only is it still on, Representative Patmon will also be giving sponsor testimony on THREE ANTI-GUN bills he has introduced!
Safe storage, universal background checks, and something else I forget
Don't miss it!
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!
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My memory ain't perfect but crimony, Patron drags out thus same song and dance every two years!zeko wrote:HB151, 152, and 153 are all by Representative Patmon:
HB151: "Universal" background checks
HB152: Requiring "firearm restricted" on a felon's hunting license (he can't hunt with a firearm)
HB153: Prohibiting sale of "replica" guns (with some exceptions)
At present none of these bills have any co-sponsors, while HB142 has fifteen. Perhaps 151-153 will quietly expire in committee?
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Thank you Brian
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Would this T shirt be considered offensive or over the top for this hearing?Chuck wrote:HB 142 - First committee hearing!!
Liberty minded citizens are encouraged to attend and support Rep. Wiggam as he testifies. If you do attend, please make your support known by wearing your OFCC gear, (or other pro-gun clothing)
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Over the top!!
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