Portman, Kasich talk of limiting gun access after Orlando

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Portman, Kasich talk of limiting gun access after Orlando

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With Trump, Kasich and Portman suddenly supporting this, I believe we are seeing some momentum.
Two of Ohio’s top Republicans expressed dismay Tuesday over how the man who killed 49 people at an Orlando nightclub got access to guns.

“If you’re being investigated a couple of times by the FBI and you’re also threatening your workers, your coworkers, I don’t know why you ought to have access to a gun,” said Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who stopped short of calling for any weapons bans in the wake of the shooting.

Sen. Rob Portman, meanwhile, in a conference call with reporters, said anyone on the terrorist watch list should be barred from buying weapons. The statement appeared in conflict with a vote he made in December. At the time, Portman said he was concerned that people would be erroneously put on the list.
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Would Strickland be comfortable voting for limiting gun access like Portman is insinuating? :?:
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Rob Portman is going to screw around and lose my vote,,,,
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I wonder how the Orlando massacre plus Portman's stance on gay marriage softening because of his gay son factor into this? Just a question.
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Javelin Man wrote:Would Strickland be comfortable voting for limiting gun access like Portman is insinuating? :?:
I believe Strickland would be comfortable voting for whatever She tells him to.
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Gee, I could've sworn I recalled reading that at the time the killer bought the guns that, thanks to the FBI, he wasn't even on the terrorist watch list. After all, they interviewed him about his statements, and he said basically he was only kidding. :roll: Don't these politicians know this, or do they just not care? (I'm leaning towards the latter.

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It appears the news media misrepresented Rob Portman's stance on denying firearms purchases to those on the terrorism watch list. Many news outlets are saying that he has changed his position and now supports that amendment, but that is incorrect. Rob Portman has not changed his position, which was to support a Republican alternative amendment that would give the U.S. attorney general the power to block a gun sale to a person on the terrorist watch list for 72 hours, but then requires DOJ to go to court and convince a judge that there’s probable cause to believe the purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist.

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In which case, if they are proven to be a known or suspected terrorist then jail or deport them.
JustaShooter wrote:It appears the news media misrepresented Rob Portman's stance on denying firearms purchases to those on the terrorism watch list. Many news outlets are saying that he has changed his position and now supports that amendment, but that is incorrect. Rob Portman has not changed his position, which was to support a Republican alternative amendment that would give the U.S. attorney general the power to block a gun sale to a person on the terrorist watch list for 72 hours, but then requires DOJ to go to court and convince a judge that there’s probable cause to believe the purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist.

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JustaShooter wrote:It appears the news media misrepresented Rob Portman's stance on denying firearms purchases to those on the terrorism watch list. Many news outlets are saying that he has changed his position and now supports that amendment, but that is incorrect. Rob Portman has not changed his position, which was to support a Republican alternative amendment that would give the U.S. attorney general the power to block a gun sale to a person on the terrorist watch list for 72 hours, but then requires DOJ to go to court and convince a judge that there’s probable cause to believe the purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist.

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As opposed to the latest Democratic plan, which even if the judge says you aren't a terrorist, you are still barred from buying firearms for the next 5 years. With this law, all the AG would have to do is just accuse people, either way it's a win for them.
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JustaShooter wrote:It appears the news media misrepresented Rob Portman's stance on denying firearms purchases to those on the terrorism watch list. Many news outlets are saying that he has changed his position and now supports that amendment, but that is incorrect. Rob Portman has not changed his position, which was to support a Republican alternative amendment that would give the U.S. attorney general the power to block a gun sale to a person on the terrorist watch list for 72 hours, but then requires DOJ to go to court and convince a judge that there’s probable cause to believe the purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist.

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Freedom is occasionally messy. What happened in Orlando was not caused by freedom. In fact, government restricting freedom, specifically the stupid 51% rule that forbade good citizens from carrying in the club, made the tragedy much worse. More government isn't going to fix it. One more chain will not set us free.

I'll believe that they're serious about going after folks on the watch lists when they start prosecuting people who fail NICS checks for lying on their 4473 forms. :oops: :idea: :twisted:
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I'm opposed to the probable cause thing, but if there is probable cause then I believe that's grounds for arrest and charges. So in theory, if we had the "probable cause" flavor of this proposal then anyone who loses his gun rights would be immediately charged with terrorism and put in court. This is not unlike situations where you're put under disability while certain charges like domestic violence are going through the court system or a restraining order for other types pf charges taking away other types of rights. If the probable cause legislation also requires and arrest and terrorism charges as a prerequisite to denying the sale then I could get behind that.
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That is probably what it would take to make this half baked idea pass constitutional muster anyway.
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WestonDon wrote:That is probably what it would take to make this half baked idea pass constitutional muster anyway.

Constitutional muster is in the eye of the beholder.... or more accurately, the Supreme Court. Let's not forget who Hillary will be putting there....
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Sen. Portman voted with us:

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