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Push for an Ohio Constitutional Amendment

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Hello all,

My name is Daniel and I want to bring up the idea of amending the Ohio Constitution to increase our gun rights. An amendment, not created by politicians, but by the people.

I believe that waiting for the General Assembly to restore our God given natural rights would be like our Founding Fathers waiting on Parliament to end their grievances. I am disgusted at how our Assembly is eager to adopt legislation to give titles to bridges, rename buildings, and to honor cities with meaningless awards. But when it comes to our rights, the legislation is appointed to a committee, where it is either filed away in some dark warehouse of filing cabinets or crushed by a few educational imbeciles who think Pop-tarts are weapons of mass destruction.

I have such a deep passion in preserving our nation of liberty, and I am so angered in seeing people in positions of power sit on their hands as our freedoms are reduced to scraps each day by the tyrannical claws of government. I dream of becoming a Legislator, Governor, or President, fighting off the chains of despotism. But until then, I wish to act now. Therefore, I propose that we, the citizens of Ohio, amend our constitution that would allow all Americans to carry arms without fearing repercussions for simply being in a certain "zone".

I believe that as free men, we have the right to carry whatever, whenever, and wherever you want. I believe arms should be carried in schools, government buildings, airports, hospitals, churches, etc. I would love to have an amendment that stated, "Government shall not prohibit the carrying of arms in any building, property, nor territory, and shall not require a license nor register Americans in order to carry arms openly or concealed." However, I don't think these words will appear in our Constitution anytime soon because we have in our midst delicate snowflakes who sleep in padded rooms who break out in mass hysteria by just hearing the word "gun".

Therefore, I believe the amendment could be worded like so:

Section I: A person who has an Ohio License to Carry a Concealed Handgun issued to them is allowed to carry a concealed handgun in and on any premise for their defense and security except in High Security Buildings.

Section II: In order for a building to be declared a High Security Building, each entrance of the building must be guarded by no less than two armed guards equipped with AR-15s or greater at all times and everyone entering the building must walk through a metal detector. If at anytime an entrance is found to have less than 2 armed guards equipped with AR-15s or greater, the building is no longer a High Security Building.

Section III: Congress shall make no law nor amend the Ohio Constitution to increase the requirements of obtaining an Ohio License to Carry a Concealed Handgun.


Now, I am aware that we will face great opposition. The Left will slander us, saying we want teachers to be able to shoot students, thugs will rob hospitals and hold seniors hostage and get away with it, and that we are just too stupid and incompetent to carry arms wherever. However, I do believe this can work. I believe that if we unite together, we, just like our Founders did, can destroy even the greatest of opponents. I believe that there are enough Ohioans that have seen the Light of Liberty that agree "Gun Free Zones" are "Slaughter Zones".

So, I am passionately asking for all of your help in getting this tremendous ball rolling in order to guarantee our Freedoms. Please do comment, as this cannot be done alone.
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I see it is your first post, so WELCOME!
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Welcome!

I'm having a hard time understanding. In your supporting statement you advidly declare free open carry, but in your writ you 1stly declare a licensed permit?
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WhyNot wrote:Welcome!

I'm having a hard time understanding. In your supporting statement you advidly declare free open carry, but in your writ you 1stly declare a licensed permit?


My thought too.....once again, how pro 2nd did you say you were?

"Section I: ........"A person who has an Ohio License to Carry a Concealed Handgun issued to them is allowed to carry a concealed handgun"........ in and on any premise for their defense and security except in High Security Buildings."



Why would you want to "strengthen" a license requirement by slapping it into our state constitution
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Welcome to the forum.

I appreciate your passion and I think that you can become a valuable contributor to the cause. OFCC and this forum has many dedicated and knowledgeable members working tirelessly to advance gun rights in Ohio. Stick around here for a while and it will become clear why firearms rights restoration is a slow incremental process.

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All,

I should of explained more clearly that I think the licensing process is a violation of our rights and I would like to remove the licensing requirements. The text I wrote for a proposed amendment was not set in stone, but an idea of what it could be to get people thinking and talking.

The reason I wrote the amendment the way it was is because of low information voters. If all of the citizens of Ohio were to vote on the issue, many not knowing that guns can be used for good, they probably would vote "No". Many low information voters that I have come across think that we need a special permit to even buy a gun. Our chances of amending the constitution may (not saying will, but may) be greater if low information's saw that you needed a permit.

However, say we did an extensive job of educating the people, letting them know that criminals still would be punished if they were caught, etc., then we should have the amendment say:

Section I: The citizens of The United States of America have the right to carry a firearm, openly or concealed, in any building and on any property with out requiring any form of license or registration.

Please continue to comment and I do apologize for being slow to respond, I have been busy with work.
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WestonDon wrote:Welcome to the forum.

I appreciate your passion and I think that you can become a valuable contributor to the cause. OFCC and this forum has many dedicated and knowledgeable members working tirelessly to advance gun rights in Ohio. Stick around here for a while and it will become clear why firearms rights restoration is a slow incremental process.

Frustrating I know but it is what it is.

Much better said......I was focusing on what the OP, (Daniel), said, and didn't take into account his intentions and think I came across a "little" harsh......my apologies.
As for any mention of having or "needing" a license, nope!

Do hope he does return to our forum here.
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I supposed he simply typed it all out in a single draft without any editing. Overall it wasn't bad I just wanted clarification...
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3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:
WestonDon wrote:Welcome to the forum.

I appreciate your passion and I think that you can become a valuable contributor to the cause. OFCC and this forum has many dedicated and knowledgeable members working tirelessly to advance gun rights in Ohio. Stick around here for a while and it will become clear why firearms rights restoration is a slow incremental process.

Frustrating I know but it is what it is.

Much better said......I was focusing on what the OP, (Daniel), said, and didn't take into account his intentions and think I came across a "little" harsh......my apologies.
As for any mention of having or "needing" a license, nope!

Do hope he does return to our forum here.
Don't worry, no one scared me away lol. Please see my above post for a reply.
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Grill,

What part are YOU going to take in this effort?

It's easy to anonymously post a call to action, but what real-life action are you willing to take?

If you can't participate in a forum discussion due to the demands of your job, I assume you will not have time to take part in the initiative process.

You DO realize how many signatures, valid signatures, an amendment initiative requires, right?

And from how many different counties within the state, right?

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm simply pulling you back down to reality.

I have the time, so if I could find someone willing to FUND such an endeavor, I would certainly volunteer to organize and run it for them (just pay my food and travel expenses).


As to the actual wording of such an amendment, it is not how the amendment is written that is important. What's important is how the SUMMARY is written. There is a bit of flexibility there. Not much, but possibly enough to sway many of those low-information voters.
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:Grill,

What part are YOU going to take in this effort?

It's easy to anonymously post a call to action, but what real-life action are you willing to take?

If you can't participate in a forum discussion due to the demands of your job, I assume you will not have time to take part in the initiative process.

You DO realize how many signatures, valid signatures, an amendment initiative requires, right?

And from how many different counties within the state, right?

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm simply pulling you back down to reality.

I have the time, so if I could find someone willing to FUND such an endeavor, I would certainly volunteer to organize and run it for them (just pay my food and travel expenses).


As to the actual wording of such an amendment, it is not how the amendment is written that is important. What's important is how the SUMMARY is written. There is a bit of flexibility there. Not much, but possibly enough to sway many of those low-information voters.

Its not as hard as you think to get something on the ballot. There seems to be something on the ballot every election cycle, whether its a smoking ban (passed), a casino amendment (passed) the marijuana amendment (failed), and the anti monopoly amendment (passed). Those are just to name a few.

As a matter of fact Bloomberg intends to do just that here in Ohio. Its a push to require UBC's. This is dangerous because Bloomberg has the cash on hand to push such thing. He was able to pull it off in Washington State now he's gunning for other states such as Ohio. First it will be UBC's, than Magazine Bans, and eventually "assault weapons" bans, and than you have a never ending slippery slope of "sensible" amendments that chip away our freedoms one election cycle at a time. Never underestimate the power of stupidity amongst the masses!

The problem is that Ohio is a "ballot initiative" state which allows petitioners to bypass the legislature and put something directly before the voters. Sounds great but in fact this could prove to be disaster. Other states such as Indiana and Texas don't allow this and neither should ours.

But like Grill said we should push for a constitutional amendment. Such amendment should be proposed in order to require a supermajority of voters rather than a simple majority in order to change our constitution. Think of it as expanded "preemption" to keep people like Bloomberg from forcing his agenda.

Our Federal Constitutional has not changed much over the course of its history and neither should our State Constitution which seems to happen every election cycle.

Direct Democracy can be very dangerous!
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