A.L.I.C.E Program

[troy bilt]

So I just heard that my sons school has decided to adopt the A.L.I.C.E Program. It looks to me to be a shiver in place do nothing feel good program. I have already contacted Buckeye Firearm Association for help. The school has a meeting set up for this Wednesday the 28th at 6:30-8:00 to discuss the program.

Any help from the members here would greatly be appreciated. I will be attending this meeting and would like your input as to what to bring up and any help you guys can give.

If anyone wants to attend the meeting hear is the link to the info

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Here is a link to the A.L.I.C.E. Program page.

http://www.alicetraining.comThanks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for your time

[HancockCountyHAl]

Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, Evacuate, Kiss your butt goodbye.

Locking yourself in a closet is no plan. Arm willing teachers and give the kids a fighting chance.

[Javelin Man]

It's better than huddling in a corner, but just a little. It does address the fact that attackers don't like anybody to fight back, whether it's a police officer, a teacher with a gun, or students throwing books. The program also realizes that evacuating as in the case of the Virginia Tech shooting, saves lives over holding hands and singing Kum Bay Yah.

It's worthwhile to know, information is never a bad thing as it's safe to assume you won't have armed teachers in every classroom so there might as well be a backup plan.

[troy bilt]

This is a email I will send out to the board. What do you think.

I have just been notified that the school district has plans, or has already adopted the A.L.I.C.E program. At the surface this program seams to be a coward in place program. Can you explain to me as a parent of a child of the Edison School District how the A.L.I.C.E program will be more than a feel good measure and actually protect my child?

Has the school board looked into the FASTER Program? The FASTER Program will train staff members with 26 hours of hands-on training over a 3 day period. This training will exceed the requirements of the Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy. This will allow staff to carry the real life tools for protecting our children. The FASTER Program is not a feel good program like the A.L.I.C.E Program, it is a program that will put the tools needed for the job in the hands of properly trained staff members.

Concerned Parent

[M-Quigley]

I couldn't get the alice link to work. If the "counter" portion means fighting back, wouldn't the
Faster program be a good compliment to the Alice program?

I don't have a link, (yet) but I heard on a radio show the former principal of Columbine high school being interviewed. He stated the number one factor in the killers being able to kill a lot of students was how the police response was conducted, wait and assess before going in. He said the number one change in policy to prevent a high number of casualties is having as quick as possible armed police response to counter the threat. That's great if you have an armed police response there all the time, but otherwise you have to have an additional plan in place until they get there. Think of it like having a fire extinguisher if you have a fire.

[evan price]

ALICE is run, hide, fight.
Best to first get away.
If not possible, lock or block classrooms. Sit quietly out of sight, turn off room lights, cover window to corridors. Make it appear empty so shooter moves on.
If the bad guy gains entry, use whatever you have to attack & defend, and dogpile the shooter.
While there may be individual changes by school, ALICE is useful.
Fire extinguishers, books, chairs, classroom equipment. Use it.
I don't know why you are against it but ALICE is better than nothing.
While armed teachers will help, most schools will never allow it.
Schools don't want to turn into Marine Basic CQB.

[Maximinus Thrax]

ALICE is run, hide, fight.
Best to first get away.
If not possible, lock or block classrooms. Sit quietly out of sight, turn off room lights, cover window to corridors. Make it appear empty so shooter moves on.
If the bad guy gains entry, use whatever you have to attack & defend, and dogpile the shooter.
While there may be individual changes by school, ALICE is useful.
Fire extinguishers, books, chairs, classroom equipment. Use it.
I don't know why you are against it but ALICE is better than nothing.
While armed teachers will help, most schools will never allow it.
Schools don't want to turn into Marine Basic CQB.

I tend to agree with this. At least ALICE accounts for the reality that fighting back may be necessary. It's a sure bet better than sticking your head in the sand and hoping nothing bad happens to you. Is it a perfect plan? No. Would we prefer to have better training and tools for the faculty to respond with? Absolutely. However, it's a step in the right direction.

[WY_Not]

Why not? Society uses armed guards to protect many other so called valuables. Yet, when it comes to one of our most valuable items we refuse to provide the best protection possible.

[dsk]

This is a email I will send out to the board. What do you think.

I have just been notified that the school district has plans, or has already adopted the A.L.I.C.E program. At the surface this program seams to be a coward in place program. Can you explain to me as a parent of a child of the Edison School District how the A.L.I.C.E program will be more than a feel good measure and actually protect my child?

Has the school board looked into the FASTER Program? The FASTER Program will train staff members with 26 hours of hands-on training over a 3 day period. This training will exceed the requirements of the Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy. This will allow staff to carry the real life tools for protecting our children. The FASTER Program is not a feel good program like the A.L.I.C.E Program, it is a program that will put the tools needed for the job in the hands of properly trained staff members.

Concerned Parent

The word you want is "cower" not coward

[DontTreadOnMe]

ALICE is orders of magnitude better than the shelter-in-place programs that were standard for decades before it. Arguing against it because it doesn't go as far as your preferred program is foolish. That's called making perfect the enemy of good.

That said, the main problem with FASTER is it's 90% about the gun. Many school districts are simply never going to authorize armed teachers, so it's a non-starter.

[M-Quigley]

ALICE is run, hide, fight.
Best to first get away.
If not possible, lock or block classrooms. Sit quietly out of sight, turn off room lights, cover window to corridors. Make it appear empty so shooter moves on.
If the bad guy gains entry, use whatever you have to attack & defend, and dogpile the shooter.
While there may be individual changes by school, ALICE is useful.
Fire extinguishers, books, chairs, classroom equipment. Use it.
I don't know why you are against it but ALICE is better than nothing.
While armed teachers will help, most schools will never allow it.
Schools don't want to turn into Marine Basic CQB.

I tend to agree with this. At least ALICE accounts for the reality that fighting back may be necessary. It's a sure bet better than sticking your head in the sand and hoping nothing bad happens to you. Is it a perfect plan? No. Would we prefer to have better training and tools for the faculty to respond with? Absolutely. However, it's a step in the right direction.

I tend to agree with this also.

[WestonDon]

This is a email I will send out to the board. What do you think.

I have just been notified that the school district has plans, or has already adopted the A.L.I.C.E program. At the surface this program seams to be a coward in place program. Can you explain to me as a parent of a child of the Edison School District how the A.L.I.C.E program will be more than a feel good measure and actually protect my child?

Has the school board looked into the FASTER Program? The FASTER Program will train staff members with 26 hours of hands-on training over a 3 day period. This training will exceed the requirements of the Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy. This will allow staff to carry the real life tools for protecting our children. The FASTER Program is not a feel good program like the A.L.I.C.E Program, it is a program that will put the tools needed for the job in the hands of properly trained staff members.

Concerned Parent

Well you asked for comments so here goes.

I understand your frustration but your opening statement seems to me to be unnecessarily confrontational. This is usually counterproductive. I suggest acknowledging that A.L.I.C.E. has merit but is only one of many tools available. Then offer F.A.S.T.E.R. to compliment A.L.I.C.E. and expand the protection. I like the way you described F.A.S.T.E.R. If there is any financial help available for F.A.S.T.E.R. it might help to mention that.

[troy bilt]

So after reading the post it looks like I may have overlooked that it is a step in the right direction. I have dove deeper into ALICE and it is not as bad as I 1st though.

I think as one post suggest that ALICE would make a great partner with FASTER.

I have had to be reminder by the good folks here on more than one occasion that a step in the right direction is better than nothing at all. I tend to be a all or nothing thinker but I am working on that.

TTAG just posted a story on ALICE if you would like to read more about it

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Thank you for your time.

[3FULLMAGS+1]

I.ve been , along w/ others pushing the Faster program to complement the ALICE implementation in our district for over two years, (Fairless Local), but they are so ignorant, it unbelievable! Any mention of arming faculty and it heads up the butt again or where ever else they want to stick their heads. With most school boards, it's NOT about facts, statistics, commonsense or logic but rather emotion, misinformation and having a warm fuzzy feeling that they are safe...........I KNOW! I pulled my oldest , (home schooling), and my youngest probably next year. Home schooling isn't all that hard especially with all the free online programs and YOU control what they are learning and they are in a safer envirement, (home), too!!!

[WayneB]

Our system is looking into an SRO to be split (not evenly) with the city.

So, of course that's $100k+ of expenses or so each year, for ONE person to be trained and armed, somewhere in the school system. Response time to any armed event would be roughly equivalent to what it is already since the odds of the SRO actually being in the right spot are low and we live in a small town.

With volunteer teachers, obtaining their own CHL and free training available, you could have several armed "first responders" in EACH school within the system FOR FREE. Response time would be much enhanced as those folks are already there, each day, every day.

Yes, I can if you remove logic and statistics and insert only emotion, which solution would be better.