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I think legalized marijuana in Ohio is inevitable. I also think there will be a push for random drug tests for CHL'ers, much like they do for commercial drivers. Hope not. And yes, addled retail employees seem to be quite common.
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If employers want reasonable suspicion or even random drug testing, that is simply between the e/r's and their respective e/e's.

I would fight against any random drug testing for Ohio concealed carry license holders, merely because we hold such licenses.
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Tweed Ring wrote:I fear Issue 3 will pass in Ohio. This will create lots of “under the influence” issues. I choose not to drink alcohol, nor do I partake in recreational drugs, but this could manifest lots of questions.
If any of my California, Colorado, or Washington employees test positive for marijuana, I terminate their employment. We don't care what state law allows, we still have a zero tolerance company policy.
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As it should be...
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Marijuana isn't something to worry about. There was once a CEO who transformed a small insurance company into a wildly successful Fortune 500 icon while smoking weed. I think those potheads who have problems would have the same problems even if sober.
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mrbone wrote:Marijuana isn't something to worry about. There was once a CEO who transformed a small insurance company into a wildly successful Fortune 500 icon while smoking weed. I think those potheads who have problems would have the same problems even if sober.
The man was an e/r, not an e/e. My concern is with e/e’s, who are high, hurting themselves and others while on the job.
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mrbone wrote:Marijuana isn't something to worry about. There was once a CEO who transformed a small insurance company into a wildly successful Fortune 500 icon while smoking weed. I think those potheads who have problems would have the same problems even if sober.
It's something I don't worry about but perhaps the users should. A few years ago, some moron almost took me out by making a last minute left turn in front of me while I was on my motorcycle. When I caught up with him, he apologized for being buzzed and offered me a toke. Since I'm not one to split hairs between being high and being drunk, he got the exact same tune-up an alcohol impaired driver gets. Sometimes, when those drunks and druggies start flailing their arms around, it sure looks like they're swinging at you. :mrgreen:
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Tweed Ring wrote:I fear Issue 3 will pass in Ohio. This will create lots of “under the influence” issues. I choose not to drink alcohol, nor do I partake in recreational drugs, but this could manifest lots of questions.
My hat is off to you, sir. It would appear that we are a dying breed. Perhaps we should seek some type of protected class status.
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CroManGun wrote:
Tweed Ring wrote:I fear Issue 3 will pass in Ohio. This will create lots of “under the influence” issues. I choose not to drink alcohol, nor do I partake in recreational drugs, but this could manifest lots of questions.
My hat is off to you, sir. It would appear that we are a dying breed. Perhaps we should seek some type of protected class status.

In my life, I spent lot of time shooting guns and riding motorcycles, and I've seen what alcohol (friend of Bill) and drugs do to one's reflexes. Due to my age, I am a member of a protected class, but no one cares about my protection but me...
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Tweed Ring wrote:In my life, I spent lot of time shooting guns and riding motorcycles, and I've seen what alcohol (friend of Bill) and drugs do to one's reflexes. Due to my age, I am a member of a protected class, but no one cares about my protection but me...
Always a pleasure to meet another acquaintance of my old friend Bill. I guess my age makes me a class member too. I'd like to think that there are others who care about my protection but I'm old enough to know that I AM THE ONLY ONE who can do anything about it.
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CCW and drinking are mutually exclusive.

It is well determined that even a small amount of alcohol impairs judgement and reflexes. Since "intoxicated" is determined by behavior, a LEO can all too easily say that the suspect was not handling his alcohol and was impaired.

Don't take that chance. Being charged with a felony can just ruin your day.
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Could one be legally impaired due to allergy medication (benedryl, say)?
How is the baseline of competence established in order to determine impairment?
Is drowsiness not an impairment?

Here's a list of some garden variety medical conditions that can lead to mild cognitive impairment.

If age is an impairment, how does one argue against being considered impaired?
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GOOD POINT!
I have already been through this in Virginia Beach, but not while carrying.

Why don't you have a couple drinks, then walk up to a LEO and chat. Let us know what happens.
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What can you legally carry if you had to go drinking. We all know you cannot drink and carry your gun.

What about a switch blade pocket knife? I think a knife is also considered a weapon so it would also fall under same category as gun when drinking?
What bout a stun gun?

From a legal perspective only a Pepper spray comes to my mind that would be allowed to be carried on you when drinking.
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Think about a small, powerful flashlight. I know you may not immediately think of it as a weapon but it's 50-state legal (even while drinking) and can be effective in temporarily disorienting an attacker and in a pinch can be used as a striking tool.
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