SB 199: Active military may carry without CHL

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Re: SB 199: Active military may carry without CHL

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I will admit that the recruiting regulations were relaxed due to the war, no convicted killer or rapist is currently serving. The regs were loosened to allow waivers to be granted on a case by case basis to non violent offenders and DV that was against siblings under the age of 18.

So if you got into a fight with your brother and didn't have a parent that cared it was easier for them to call the police. I fought with my older brothers everyday, does that mean I should not continue serving?
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If they've done their time, then no. Felon or not, they have every right to defend themselves. If they are so dangerous that they can not be trusted with a firearm, then they never should have been released. But, that is a whole other issue that needs to be resolved as well.
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Question: If this law passes,are you "OK" with, or "have a problem with" a guy who has a FELONY (maybe murder or rape) being able to LEGALLY carry a handgun where you can't?
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Re: SB 199: Active military may carry without CHL

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carmen fovozzo wrote:And you have the article or order that rapists and killers Enlisted ?
Glad you asked:

The U.S. Army and Marine Corps let 861 convicted felons join their ranks in 2007, an 88 percent jump over the previous year that helped meet recruiting goals in wartime, according to data released on Monday.

The Army, the largest branch of the U.S. military, gave felony waivers to 511 recruits last year, up from 249 in 2006, according to the figures released by a congressional panel. The Marine Corps granted 350 waivers, up from 208 the year before.

The waivers for convictions ranging from assault and burglary to manslaughter and sex crimes allowed the military to enlist people otherwise precluded by recruitment standards...
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Rapists and killers......I don't think so...I know sex offenders that brushed up against someone by accident and was put on the list.....it says manslaughter, a far cry from murder...
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carmen fovozzo wrote:it says manslaughter, a far cry plea bargain away from murder...
Fixed that for ya
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First off, look at the numbers that are involved....not so many when your talking 5 million..
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JU-87 wrote:
Tweed Ring wrote:... We train young people in the military... I have no problem with their carrying weapons in this country.
Not so much.The training,I mean. Some of it is good,some average, and some a miserable excuse for training. But they all get the same qualification!!! :shock:

No offense intended Tweed Ring, but I'm guessing you were never in the so-called "Armed Forces". I was, and I saw it first hand.

Here's something else to consider before we grant our military members a right we don't have: Around 2006 the Iraq war was not going well,and enlistments where down. The US Army came up with a BRILLIANT solution: allow guys with MISDOMENORS and FELONY's to enlist in the "hard to fill jobs": Infantry,Armor, and Artillery.

If those guys re-enlisted (it's there only chance at a job with a decent retirement, so I believe most did) They are now E-6's and E-7's.
Question: If this law passes,are you "OK" with, or "have a problem with" a guy who has a FELONY (maybe murder or rape) being able to LEGALLY carry a handgun where you can't?

I have a big problem with this law.

If you worship the people in military, you have to worship the ones with misdemeanors/felony's too.

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There is no background check that can prevent a person with a gun from committing a crime WITH that gun.

If a person with a criminal history has never committed a crime WITH a gun, why should that person be disabled from possessing a gun?

You can't rationalize that a criminal will just go commit worse crimes and eventually use a gun to do so, because people with NO criminal background have done the same.

If you are found guilty of committing a crime with a gun, I can see that as justification for restricting your possession.

If your crime wasn't related to the use of a gun, there is no reason that you should be restricted from possessing a gun.

R.C. 2923.14 let's a judge get rid of such restrictions, but it is the same as a "may-issue" CHL scheme. If that judge is in northeastern Ohio, you are probably out of luck.
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Any updates on the status of this?
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esprrfan2001 wrote:Any updates on the status of this?
Nope.

Probably won't see anything until Kasich wins the election loses the election drops out of the race.

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Now think about this...we are worried about active duty having concealed carry because a small portion got waivers for felonies/misdemeanors.

First of all, as servicemen, they are being trained to handle everything in our military's arsenal, including fully automatic weapons, tanks, artillery, rockets, grenades and you name whatever else. If they are too dangerous to carry a concealed weapon they should not be in the service.

Second, although there are waivers, these waivers have to meet certain standards which vary by branch but in general:

Expunged/Sealed doesn't matter as far as hiding it from the recruiter. Failure to disclose is a felony. Although, the fact that it was sealed/expunged AND you disclosed it may argue in favor of a waiver.

The passage of time without incident is a major factor. Also major is whether it was as a juvenile. Adult felonies...good luck, it can be done but it is harder.

While there may be the exception, these waivers are not meant for hardcore criminals, they are designed for isolated incidents of stupidity. There are exceptions to criminal convictions etc for CHLs and I would venture to guess most of the "waivers" would also meet those standards.
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All very good points Catfish. Anytime I hear of someone branded for life for an isolated act of stupidity I think "there, but for the grace of God, go I".
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catfish86 wrote: First of all, as servicemen, they are being trained to handle everything in our military's arsenal, including fully automatic weapons, tanks, artillery, rockets, grenades and you name whatever else. If they are too dangerous to carry a concealed weapon they should not be in the service.
I don't know where you got that idea but it's certainly not true for most (>80%) Navy personnel.
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The experiences of my nieces and nephews in the USAF were similar. Unless you are military police you get no or very little small arms training/experience.
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And even if they are trained in all manner of weapons, they have ZERO training in Ohio CHL law, rules, and regs.
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Army must be different. We had to qualify with the M16 at least annually but usually every quarter. I trained on and fired the M60 machine gun, a Mk19 automatic grenade launcher, an AT4 and threw hand grenades occasionally to name a few. I was essentially a clerk but the Army views everyone as a rifleman first trained to do other things as well.
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