Carmen, it's the conservative brain, it can be on both sides of the same issue. But it has the uncanny ability to justify both positions. lol I think waving the fee is great but I still feel that training is a good idea.carmen fovozzo wrote:I find the comments that training should be required in this thread very confusing..I find that some on this forum argued that we don't need training in order to get our CHL in prior threads....I argued that we should have some training... And I was jumped on by some members for it. Why is this different now ?
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Nothing contradictory about it. Two different issues. One is if training should be mandatory. Other issue is if a law should be applied in a logical, consistent manner.
My first choice would be do away with the requirement for all. But, if they are going to have the stupid law on the books then apply it fairly. If you are going to grant exceptions then grant them for a logical reason.
And finally, political leanings have nothing to do with it. That is a problem with your head not others'.
My first choice would be do away with the requirement for all. But, if they are going to have the stupid law on the books then apply it fairly. If you are going to grant exceptions then grant them for a logical reason.
And finally, political leanings have nothing to do with it. That is a problem with your head not others'.
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The real reason we have a training requirement at all is that we couldn't get a concealed carry law passed without it. IMHO. Any chipping away is a good thing.
My non lawyer reading of the bill is that military training must be equivalent to other acceptable training, not just honorable service.
My non lawyer reading of the bill is that military training must be equivalent to other acceptable training, not just honorable service.
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I'm sure I'm one to have said it before and I'll happily say it again...get rid of the mandatory training requirement for obtaining a CHL.
Don't need it to open carry...why should you need it for concealed carry?
Break a law you should have known about while open carrying...get a ticket or go to jail.
Break a law you should have known about while concealed carrying...get a ticket or go to jail.
Fire your openly carried firearm...you are liable for the results.
Fire your concealed carry firearm...you are liable for the results.
No two training instructors classes are the same, let alone cover exactly the same material.
So, what does "training" do for us except cost us money?
Don't need it to open carry...why should you need it for concealed carry?
Break a law you should have known about while open carrying...get a ticket or go to jail.
Break a law you should have known about while concealed carrying...get a ticket or go to jail.
Fire your openly carried firearm...you are liable for the results.
Fire your concealed carry firearm...you are liable for the results.
No two training instructors classes are the same, let alone cover exactly the same material.
So, what does "training" do for us except cost us money?
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How about safety class ? Who would you rather have come to your rescue when in fear for your life ? other then yourself...A person that has taken a class on gun safety or a person that looks cool and has no safety training ?
The people that think it's cool to carry concealed , and there are a lot,but won't take the time to learn gun safety and people that take the time to learn gun safety are two different animals.....
This is a simple question that does not need to be expanded on..joker's need not answer...
The people that think it's cool to carry concealed , and there are a lot,but won't take the time to learn gun safety and people that take the time to learn gun safety are two different animals.....
This is a simple question that does not need to be expanded on..joker's need not answer...
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"So what does training do for us other then cost us money"
Or maybe someone's life...
Or maybe someone's life...
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What other constitutional rights do you think "training" should be required before a citizen can exercise it?
What do you think about Ohio NOT requiring "training" in order to obtain a drivers license?
What do you think about Ohio NOT requiring "training" in order to obtain a drivers license?
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Are you talking about the rapist's , murderer's or molester's life?..........sorry , not meaning to come across as a smart %@&!carmen fovozzo wrote:"So what does training do for us other then cost us money"
Or maybe someone's life...
And if I was part of that convo. ,I haven't changed my tune either. I don't think it should be a requirement or"hoop" to jump through to carry for protection, but everyone should seek out good training and as much as they can afford.
I see this thread has taken on a new direction.
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Why do police and security guards need training ? I thought the 2nd A covered them ?
Wasn't A well regulated Militia trained ?
Wasn't A well regulated Militia trained ?
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I just read DUF web page...3 to 4 shootings accidental....all were shot while doing something stupid with their guns. I wonder how much training they had ?
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The 2A does cover them for themselves,carmen fovozzo wrote:Why do police and security guards need training ? I thought the 2nd A covered them ?
THeir jobs OUGHT to require training on how to use their equipment, just like the burger fryer at Micky Ds
Are you saying we need to be in a militia now?carmen fovozzo wrote:Wasn't A well regulated Militia trained ?
Now answer my questions,,,,
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Are you saying that there is no well regulated militia in the US ? So the police are different then us folks ?
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Well, if you're between 17 and 67, not permanently handicapped, and a citizen of Ohio, you already are.Chuck wrote:Are you saying we need to be in a militia now?
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Yes, Carmencarmen fovozzo wrote:Are you saying that there is no well regulated militia in the US ? So the police are different then us folks ?
They get PAID and they also get immunity
Of course they are different
You gonna answer my question, or you gonna keep avoiding it?
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Carmen - The "well-regulated" militia was the impetus for the second amendment, not its beneficiary.carmen fovozzo wrote:Why do police and security guards need training ? I thought the 2nd A covered them ?
Wasn't A well regulated Militia trained ?
Unless you're suggesting that the right to keep and bear arms only applies to a trained and well-regulated militia? (You know, kinda like those groups that are opposed to the right to keep and bear arms)...
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