Can I594 happen in OH and how do we preempt it?

[kcclark]

How about updating our ballot initiative law to say for the measure to become law, must get a super majority. 67% to approve. Shouldn't be a problem since Bloomberg thinks 90% of the people want this crap.

I think changes to the Ohio Constitution via ballot measures should require a super majority. Unfortunately, if something like that got passed, things that really should not be in the Constitution, like casinos and minimum wage, would never get removed.

[OHIOSTEVE]

who cares... I would still sell or give to people I knew regardless of an unconstitutional law.... there is ZERO ways to enforce this law with guns that are not "registered" anyway unless I am missing something.

[davcar45]

who cares... I would still sell or give to people I knew regardless of an unconstitutional law.... there is ZERO ways to enforce this law with guns that are not "registered" anyway unless I am missing something.

True it is unenforceable without registration. Next ballot measure, we can't enforce this without registering guns. Do you think the same nit wits wouldn't pass registration?

[WestonDon]

There is no question in my mind that registration would be the next initiative proposed. Probably already drafted.

[Bruenor]

What about starting to work now on passing legislation similar to I-591 to preemptively counter Legislation like I-594 ? While it may not stop something like I594 from being passed, it gives you legal footing to contest it in court. (that was the SAF's intention with I591 I believe)

http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/ ... %20591.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Might be easier to get something like this passed, when you are not fighting the Bloomberg misinformation advertising machine at the same time.


Would also be nice if all ballot initiative have to have the ENTIRE wording ofn a bill that is being voted on, printed on the ballot. My understanding is that i594 had a one line "Voting Yes for this initiative will strengthen firearms background checks" rather than the entire 18 pages of garbage that actually made up the bill. While he's currently a pariah to the Democrats, Gruber was not lying when he called the typical American voter stupid..

[JediSkipdogg]

Would also be nice if all ballot initiative have to have the ENTIRE wording ofn a bill that is being voted on, printed on the ballot. My understanding is that i594 had a one line "Voting Yes for this initiative will strengthen firearms background checks" rather than the entire 18 pages of garbage that actually made up the bill. While he's currently a pariah to the Democrats, Gruber was not lying when he called the typical American voter stupid..

And who would read that? most wouldn't or they would skim it, see something they like, and then make a vote. Voting just isn't what it use to be anymore.

[gunsho11b]

This is something that deserves the full attention of OFCC as well as other firearm groups in Ohio
Slapping something on the ballot in Ohio is actually pretty easy when compared to other states like Indiana which is extremely difficult. For years the gun grabbers have tried to push their agenda in Congress and State Legislatures to which groups like OFCC, NRA, etc have been for the most part successful in defeating them. Gun control via ballot initiative is the new tactic that the gun grabbers have been using. What happened in Washington state is just a tip of the iceberg of what WILL come. It starts off as something like "UBC" in one state, then they will push this to other states, and will eventually come to Ohio. Then they will move on to magazine bans, and assault weapons bans etc. Now you have a slippery slope of never ending gun restrictions and over 20 years of hardwork and accomplishments by groups like OFCC are flushed down the toilet all because of people like Bloomberg, and Bill Gates. This why we must work with groups like the Ohio Constitution Modernization Commission (Like them or hate them) in order to fix our State Constitution to which it cannot be so easily altered like it has been for decades. Like someone mentioned before, our State Constitution should be treated as a sacred document, but here in Ohio its way too damn easy to change. Its nothing for these special interest groups, like Bloombergs cronies, to come into our beloved State and push his agenda by using the misinformed voter to take away our god given right. Right now this should be the number one priority of OFCC, otherwise Ohio will be the California of the midwest.

[gunsho11b]

Looks like Arizona is trying pass legislation to prevent this very thing. Its called the interstate firearms compact law (Arizona HB 2431) They need at least one other state to enter into a "compact agreement" with. Any chance the OFCC leadership can get something like proposed here in Ohio?

Link to the proposed law here:


http://www.havasunews.com/news/arizona- ... 278be.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ArmedPatriots]

What can we do in OH to make sure what just happened in WA Tuesday does not happen here?

I am talking about I594 "universal background check" measure that banned all private transfers of firearms even between family in WA state.

Bloomberg comes in dumps millions of dollars and spread a bunch of misinformation. The 59% gullible even many gun owners vote to pass this thing and it is a monstrosity. Can our legislature head this off at the pass somehow?

It is clear that Bloomberg and his shill "gun safety" groups know they are not going to get any federal gun control for the foreseeable future so they are going to go state to state and use a ballot initiative where they can. We don't want something as misunderstood as background checks up for a popular vote. It's basically tyranny of the majority. Billed as common sense when there is no sense to it at all.

Now that gun owners in WA have SEEN this in action they have learned a lesson to READ it BEFORE voting for it.
I think this was actually a good thing because they will get it repealed or overturned soon enough, but it sent up a giant screaming flare to the rest of the country that these people pulling this crap are liars who will say anything to get people to vote their way.
I seriously doubt that other gun owners around the US will fall for this very soon given the stink its caused in WA.
its just too bad they have live with it until they get it dealt with.