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I'd like to see a discussion of possible gun laws for this year. I am hoping that notification goes away. What would you like to see?
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I'd love to see parking lot protection for employees.
Mostly because it would benefit everyone who carries legally in Ohio.
Also 'cause jabeatty would die inside a little bit! :twisted: Who doesn't want that?! :P :wink:
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Taking away the power of no gun signs. i.e. not a criminal matter.
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Sevens wrote:I'd love to see parking lot protection for employees.
Mostly because it would benefit everyone who carries legally in Ohio.
Also 'cause jabeatty would die inside a little bit! :twisted: Who doesn't want that?! :P :wink:
That's cold, man... just cold. :)

Why not chop away all the state restrictions before we start hacking at property rights? You know, like being able to carry inside the buildings that we all paid for, or in churches that aren't posted, or at a daycare center.

You could trash the gun-specific nature of any of the privately-prohibited places and let pre-existing statutes cover the issue. Carry inside a posted piece of private property? Trespassing, nothing more, nothing less - and no diminishing of rights for the property owner.

"Parking lot protection" laws are just a way of getting "conservatives" to sign on to the idea that government has the right to dictate which privileges can be included in an employment arrangement. Once you sign on to that line of thinking, what possible argument can you have in the future when those privileges are reversed, and firearms are prohibited in *every* employee parking lot?

ETA: Or firearms ownership (or some class of it - maybe those evil black rifles) becomes a disqualifier for private employment? Nah, couldn't happen here - not unless we asked them, right?
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Sevens wrote:I'd love to see parking lot protection for employees.
Mostly because it would benefit everyone who carries legally in Ohio.
Also 'cause jabeatty would die inside a little bit! :twisted: Who doesn't want that?! :P :wink:

I would like parking on and in any parking lot to be legal, no exclucions...including schools and church's for CHLH....stow it and lock it....see nothing that could possibly hurt....Why should I go to church and have to leave my gun home ?
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Let's try sea to sea state CHL reciprocity again, just like driver's and vehicle licenses.
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jabeatty wrote:
Sevens wrote:I'd love to see parking lot protection for employees.
Mostly because it would benefit everyone who carries legally in Ohio.
Also 'cause jabeatty would die inside a little bit! :twisted: Who doesn't want that?! :P :wink:
That's cold, man... just cold. :)
I've waivered back and forth on this topic, but I think Jim has convinced me of his point of view. Shocking, I know... :shock: :mrgreen:

Rather than "parking lot protection" I'd rather just see the force of law removed from the signage (minimal though it may be in some instances, particularly when it comes to parking lots). That way, it truly is an issue between the employee and employer and the state isn't involved one way or the other.
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I would like to see the notification to police be eliminated.

However, we did fight a war over, in part, property rights, and I do not want to see the Ohio General Assembly weaken the rights of property owners.
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Okay, you guys that want to champion "property rights", how about we support property rights: my car is MY property and no one has the right to search it, no matter where it is, without a court ordered search warrant?
curmudgeon3 wrote:Let's try sea to sea state CHL reciprocity again, just like driver's and vehicle licenses.
I'm not sure if you are asking for federal legislation (which driver's and vehicles licenses are not) or just broader reciprocity.
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OhioPaints wrote:Okay, you guys that want to champion "property rights", how about we support property rights: my car is MY property and no one has the right to search it, no matter where it is, without a court ordered search warrant?
No problem, as long as you don't drive it on to my property.

The property owner sets the terms for ingress and egress; you come on my property, it's subject to my terms.

If I allow you to bring your automobile onto my property, I may make that permission a conditional one... much like the terms of your employment.

Of course, if you disagree with this, perhaps you'll allow me to park some of my vehicles on your property and store some items in them. Or maybe I could just put up a small storage building - it'd be my property, after all. Certainly you'd have no cause to complain!
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sodbuster95 wrote:
jabeatty wrote:
Sevens wrote:I'd love to see parking lot protection for employees.
Mostly because it would benefit everyone who carries legally in Ohio.
Also 'cause jabeatty would die inside a little bit! :twisted: Who doesn't want that?! :P :wink:
That's cold, man... just cold. :)
I've waivered back and forth on this topic, but I think Jim has convinced me of his point of view. Shocking, I know... :shock: :mrgreen:

Rather than "parking lot protection" I'd rather just see the force of law removed from the signage (minimal though it may be in some instances, particularly when it comes to parking lots). That way, it truly is an issue between the employee and employer and the state isn't involved one way or the other.
I'd say I'm in agreement as well.

I have enough conviction to tell anyone wanting to search my vehicle to pound salt. In 30 yrs of working all over, I have never had anyone search or want to search my vehicle in a workplace environment.

Lets just make it a civil trespass infraction.
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OhioPaints wrote:... my car is MY property and no one has the right to search it, no matter where it is, without a court ordered search warrant?
Where did you get that idea?
"[The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,] and [no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.]" U.S. Const. Amend. IV.
Two distinct clauses:
  1. Searches must be reasonable; and
  2. If you want the presumptive authorization of a warrant, here's what you must do.
That's the literal text. The so-called "search warrant requirement" is a judicially created rule, just like the so-called "automobile exception."

So regardless of whether you're a blind literalist or a follower of judicial interpretations, that argument fails.
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Remove notification

decriminalize private CPZ's

Remove statutory CPZ's entirely. (At least make federal facilities only subject to federal rules.)

Expand recriprocity to any state willing to recognize ours.
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We do not want to weaken property rights at all. We may have our own battle over property rights coming soon.
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