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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby qmti » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:20 pm

I watched the Ohiohouse.Org/video and most if not all of the dissenting Democrats basically had the same doom and gloom opinions. Far as I could tell, all the Democrats that gave testimony where from large metropolitan districts. I sent my Representative Rob Portman my views on HB233. I don't bother with Representative Brown since my email would just get deleted as soon as he would read it, if he does.
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby JN01 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:13 pm

qmti wrote:I watched the Ohiohouse.Org/video and most if not all of the dissenting Democrats basically had the same doom and gloom opinions. Far as I could tell, all the Democrats that gave testimony where from large metropolitan districts. I sent my Representative Rob Portman my views on HB233. I don't bother with Representative Brown since my email would just get deleted as soon as he would read it, if he does.


Portman and Brown are US Senators, they have nothing to do with Ohio legislation. Contact your Ohio State Senator.
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby JN01 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:28 pm

I'm a little confused on exactly what HB 233 is saying.

Is it decriminalizing violations of posted 1)private property only, 2)private and government property, or 3)private and certain specified government property (i.e. school zone and courthouse)?
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby JustaShooter » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:54 pm

JN01 wrote:I'm a little confused on exactly what HB 233 is saying.


The way I read it, it decriminalizes all gun-free zones, both private property and government property (except Federal facilities).

Try this summary out: https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/downlo ... format=pdf
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby qmti » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:04 pm

JN01 wrote:
qmti wrote:I watched the Ohiohouse.Org/video and most if not all of the dissenting Democrats basically had the same doom and gloom opinions. Far as I could tell, all the Democrats that gave testimony where from large metropolitan districts. I sent my Representative Rob Portman my views on HB233. I don't bother with Representative Brown since my email would just get deleted as soon as he would read it, if he does.


Portman and Brown are US Senators, they have nothing to do with Ohio legislation. Contact your Ohio State Senator.


Thanks for the correction. Not the first mistake I've made in my life. I've made bigger ones like marring my first wife.
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby JN01 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:56 pm

I found my answer under the new proposed ORC 2923.1214:
Sec. 2923.1214. (A) No concealed handgun licensee or
qualified military member shall knowingly convey or attempt to
convey a deadly weapon into any place listed in division (B) of
section 2923.126
of the Revised Code or in violation of a sign
posted pursuant to division (C)(3)(a) of that section, unless
otherwise permitted under that section or section 2923.12,
2923.121, 2923.122, or 2923.123 of the Revised Code, and do
either of the following:

(1) Refuse or fail to leave upon being discovered and
being requested to leave by the owner, lessee, or person in
control of the premises or by that individual's agent or
employee;
(2) Return within thirty days to the same premises while
knowingly in possession of a deadly weapon without privilege to
do so.

(B) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is
guilty of criminal trespass with a deadly weapon, a misdemeanor
of the fourth degree.


2923.126 (B) covers specified prohibited areas, 2923.126(C)(3)(a) covers private property that is posted.
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby djthomas » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:33 am

JustaShooter wrote:The way I read it, it decriminalizes all gun-free zones, both private property and government property (except Federal facilities).

I believe that it does decriminalize federal facilities as well, with respect to Ohio law. This has long been a problem, albeit with the same degree of criticality as the federal GFSZA as concerns people with out of state permits: rarely enforced but on the books nonetheless.

More specifically, at the federal level carrying a firearm on postal property (but not in a building) is on par with spitting on their sidewalk: a $50 citation. Having it in your car on VA grounds is similar I believe. However it's simultaneously a felony under Ohio law because you are carrying somewhere that federal law prohibits and that is a enumerated Ohio CPZ.

I've long said that the restriction on carrying where federal law prohibits should be struck from the books. Of course an Ohio license can't authorize what federal law prohibits, so there's no need to codify that in Ohio law, thus creating a duplicate crime (with more severe penalties in many cases) at the state level. If it's illegal under federal law then let the federal authorities prosecute it. It's simply not a state matter.

Some might say oh but it was put in the law to remind licensees that federal facilities are a no no. That's all well and good, but then why have we codified all sorts of exceptions to our school zone law that ostensibly permit certain people to do things prohibited under federal law? For example, we allow non-licensed military people and non-Ohio CHL holders on school grounds when the GFSZA clearly does not permit this.
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby JustaShooter » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:38 am

djthomas wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:The way I read it, it decriminalizes all gun-free zones, both private property and government property (except Federal facilities).

I believe that it does decriminalize federal facilities as well, with respect to Ohio law.


I agree, thanks for clarifying that - I had worded it poorly.
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Re: Statehouse Hearings Posted Here

Postby Chuck » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:00 am

HB 142 has a sixth hearing before the Ohio House Federalism and Interstate relations committee Tuesday, September 19 at 3:00 pm in Room 115 at the Ohio State House

Please attend if you can and make your voices heard.
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