HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

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Re: HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

Postby M-Quigley » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:57 pm

JonasM wrote:I'm looking at the bright side - the change to the school zone rules is YUGE for me. My daughter's school is in a rural area, with a long driveway - no possible way to park outside without getting the car towed and inviting questions from every single person who sees me. If I have to go there for an event after work, then I am disarmed all day. I'll take what I can get at this point.


I agree. The current convoluted law is ridiculous.
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Re: HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

Postby JEaton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:00 pm

Brian D. wrote:About the school premises prohibition: Am I the only one who, while traveling around unfamiliar parts of Ohio, turned down a road to make a U-turn or stop to glance at my map/GPS, only to realize that it was the entrance to an elementary or high school property? Yeah no harm no foul but still, my brain said "Oops, instant felon, three hots and a cot for you the next couple years". That is completely ridiculous, there are circumstances where I could maim or kill someone with the same vehicle and not get that kind of punishment.

Maybe I should just get a few of the fence sitting Representatives and Senators to take a road trips with me across the state.


Similar thing happened to me 2 weeks ago. Had a meeting with a school about FASTER Saves Lives after work and forgot to disarm before I left for work that morning. Luckily there was still a gun friendly coworker in the office when I went to leave for the school board meeting. "Here nice coworker, take this bag of mine home with you tonight and please bring it back to me in the morning!" :D

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Re: HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

Postby JustaShooter » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:49 pm

So, here's a fun observation found on another forum:

Newly created R.C. § 2923.1210 by Sub. S. B. 199 appears to be broader in scope than applying to just employers and employees. It states: “A business entity, property owner, or public or private employer may not establish, maintain, or enforce a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting a person…” Would this not apply to parking lot postings at, for example, a shopping center—or an employer’s parking lot? One would just have to comply with the condition of locking it in the vehicle before exiting.


Interesting observation - and I don't see anything that would contradict that interpretation.
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Re: HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

Postby WestonDon » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:50 pm

JustaShooter wrote:So, here's a fun observation found on another forum:

Newly created R.C. § 2923.1210 by Sub. S. B. 199 appears to be broader in scope than applying to just employers and employees. It states: “A business entity, property owner, or public or private employer may not establish, maintain, or enforce a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting a person…” Would this not apply to parking lot postings at, for example, a shopping center—or an employer’s parking lot? One would just have to comply with the condition of locking it in the vehicle before exiting.


Interesting observation - and I don't see anything that would contradict that interpretation.


Hmmm. What about universities?
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Re: HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

Postby JustaShooter » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:25 pm

WestonDon wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:So, here's a fun observation found on another forum:

Newly created R.C. § 2923.1210 by Sub. S. B. 199 appears to be broader in scope than applying to just employers and employees. It states: “A business entity, property owner, or public or private employer may not establish, maintain, or enforce a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting a person…” Would this not apply to parking lot postings at, for example, a shopping center—or an employer’s parking lot? One would just have to comply with the condition of locking it in the vehicle before exiting.


Interesting observation - and I don't see anything that would contradict that interpretation.


Hmmm. What about universities?


Well, one would think that they fall under the category of "public or private employer" , if not "“A business entity, property owner", so yeah...
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Re: HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

Postby fyrfytr310 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:38 pm

My research skills are lacking... Does this have any bearing on county fair buildings?
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Re: HB 48: Remove some CPZs; modify affirmative defense

Postby JustaShooter » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:37 pm

fyrfytr310 wrote:My research skills are lacking... Does this have any bearing on county fair buildings?

The Act, as passed and signed, has no effect on county fair buildings.

Unfortunately, they stripped out the provision removing government facilities from the statutory no-carry list and replaced it with a provision that political subdivisions *can* pass laws or enact rules allowing it, but we know how many will be lining up on March 20 to do so...
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