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Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:03 pm
by MyWifeSaidYes
BB62 wrote:
fisher wrote:The following appears to be a blog from the Vice Mayor of Amberly Village which mentions the parking options for nonresidents who wish to visit the park. It was written in 2012.

http://lonewolfinthevillage.blogspot.co ... green.html ...

Great find!

Do they have picnic tables there? I'm thinking maybe an OC Metro bus ride, followed by a picnic in the park.

Maybe then they'd take down their "no guns" signs. 8)


Don't forget to invite the clueless grasseater. :P

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:53 pm
by Brian D.
I don't remember seeing a sit down area at that park. The clubhouse (remember, this used to be a golf course) was still there, appeared to be locked up. One side or another probably has a patio; I didn't really take much of a look around, the weather wasn't great that day.

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:57 pm
by BB62
Brian D. wrote:I don't remember seeing a sit down area at that park. The clubhouse (remember, this used to be a golf course) was still there, appeared to be locked up. One side or another probably has a patio; I didn't really take much of a look around, the weather wasn't great that day.

I visited there earlier today, and am composing a note to the Village Manager.

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:41 pm
by swatpup102
When I sent a message to the village, they had a police officer call me back in regards to this, and besides what I posted about their reasoning for the sign, the reply said that the park was open to the public. They asked that anyone visiting the park stop at the village municipal building down the road and get a parking sticker, not restricted to residents of the village to get one. My thought is they want a reason to be able to ticket or tow anyone trying to go to a basically abandoned "park" for nefarious reasons and use that ordinance as a way to enforce it. Not saying it's right, but that's my assumption.

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:42 pm
by BB62
I just sent the following note to the village manager:

Mr. Lahrmer,

The posting of at least three “No guns” signs at Amberley Green park has come to my attention. (picture attached)

An acquaintance of mine contacted the village and received a return phone call from someone in your police department stating that essentially “Oh, we know that concealed and open carry are legal there, the signs are just meant to dissuade hunters”. But, rather than simply putting up “No hunting” or “No hunting or shooting” signs, the village has chosen another course.

You know, as a firearms instructor and gun-rights activist, if I had a dollar for each time I’ve read about or been told such things, I’d be a rich man. No, in my experience signage such as that at Amberley Green is usually posted to both dissuade the casual (but legal) gun carrier and/or to satisfy the anti-gun leanings of a person or persons in a position of influence. Such signage is deceitful, and in my opinion, illegal.

Certainly the village attorney knows that there is no language in the ORC “authorizing” me or any other legal gun carrier to carry a firearm(s) in the park, any more than there is language “authorizing” me to wear a pink shirt and lime green pants. No, the law generally disallows acts instead of positively authorizing them.

Regardless, the overriding reason I’m writing to you today is that intend to conduct an open-carry get-together at the park (whenever Spring finally arrives) in order to bring attention to your misleading and illegal signs. The media will of course be invited, as they have been to all events that I’ve organized. Such events usually consist of individuals openly and peacefully carrying sidearms, longarms or both, with time allotted for eating and socializing. Since the village has adopted discriminatory parking measures at the park, individuals would probably park on nearby streets such as Fairhaven Lane, Burning Tree Lane, Legacy Trace, or others in close proximity.

Because the village website has a dearth of e-mail addresses, I would appreciate it if you would pass on this note to whomever you designate as a liaison for me. If there is a legal objection to any part of what I’ve described, including parking locations, please have the liaison cite the relevant ORC section.


Cordially,

me

http://www.amberleyvillage.org/

Village Manager Scot Lahrmer (513) 531-8675
slahrmer@amberleyvillage.org


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Response received from Amberley Village

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:51 am
by BB62
I received a phone call this morning from Lt. Blum of the Amberley Village police department. It was a cordial conversation which covered a few topics. He stated that the signs were being removed today. I asked that he summarize our conversation and e-mail me, and I would respond accordingly.

Here is his note to me:

Mr. Smith,

I am forwarding the following as a brief recap of our discussion today regarding signage posted at the “Amberley Green” park in Amberley Village. As stated the Amberley Village Police Department is very pro firearms and CCW for law abiding citizens. We have hosted numerous CCW classes. We see that the wording of the signage at the “Amberley Green” can be confusing for citizens that are not familiar with the law. As such we have had discussions with Village Officials and have asked that the signage be removed regarding firearms on the property. As for parking on the property, anyone whether they are a resident or non-resident of Amberley Village may use the park. If they wish to park on the property they simply need to stop in the Amberley Village Municipal Building a get a parking sticker which is free.

Thank you,

Lt. Brian Blum

My response

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:52 am
by BB62
Lt. Blum,

Thank you for your phone call and your note.

Based on your representations regarding the removal of the “no guns” signs, I will cancel plans for the get-together I described in my e-mail of Thursday, March 9, 2017. We will, however, monitor the park and tennis courts for possible future postings.

Thanks again.


Cordially,

me

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:55 am
by BB62
I have a sneaking suspicion that someone else might have their eye on the "no parking without a sticker" policy, but I'll leave that to them. :wink:

Re: Response received from Amberley Village

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:11 am
by swatpup102
BB62 wrote:I received a phone call this morning from Lt. Blum of the Amberley Village police department. It was a cordial conversation which covered a few topics. He stated that the signs were being removed today. I asked that he summarize our conversation and e-mail me, and I would respond accordingly.

Here is his note to me:

Mr. Smith,

I am forwarding the following as a brief recap of our discussion today regarding signage posted at the “Amberley Green” park in Amberley Village. As stated the Amberley Village Police Department is very pro firearms and CCW for law abiding citizens. We have hosted numerous CCW classes. We see that the wording of the signage at the “Amberley Green” can be confusing for citizens that are not familiar with the law. As such we have had discussions with Village Officials and have asked that the signage be removed regarding firearms on the property. As for parking on the property, anyone whether they are a resident or non-resident of Amberley Village may use the park. If they wish to park on the property they simply need to stop in the Amberley Village Municipal Building a get a parking sticker which is free.

Thank you,

Lt. Brian Blum


Wow, I applaud your efforts in this and taking the initiative to get the signs removed. Better than I (I have a few friends in the department and didn't want to ruffle the feathers there), maybe I should have, but I am glad you were willing to take this by the horn and get it done. I salute you! And I will indeed stop by sometime this weekend and see if the signs have been removed, as well as monitor the park(s) in the village in case they return.

Thanks again!

Re: Response received from Amberley Village

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:29 am
by BB62
swatpup102 wrote:Wow, I applaud your efforts in this and taking the initiative to get the signs removed. Better than I (I have a few friends in the department and didn't want to ruffle the feathers there), maybe I should have, but I am glad you were willing to take this by the horn and get it done. I salute you! And I will indeed stop by sometime this weekend and see if the signs have been removed, as well as monitor the park(s) in the village in case they return.

Thanks again!

You're welcome. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.

Looking forward to your signage report!

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:37 am
by Mustang380gal
BB62 wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that someone else might have their eye on the "no parking without a sticker" policy, but I'll leave that to them. :wink:


I live nowhere near the park, but am glad the the sticker issue is also being addressed. What if it is a Saturday or Sunday that someone wishes to use the park, and cannot get a sticker? It's a stupid idea.

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:44 pm
by BB62
You know, after PMing the OP twice, I've determined that evidently it was too much to ask him to swing by the park and confirm that the signage has been removed.

I guess I won't need a reminder next time about why I shouldn't bother to get involved in matters such as this...

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:09 am
by Brian D.
I'll go look this morning, BB62. I hate to see a giant cry. :lol:

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:30 am
by Brian D.
New signs, no references to firearms. Case closed.

Re: Amberley Green Park, Cincinnati

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:05 am
by BB62
Brian D. wrote:New signs, no references to firearms. Case closed.

Thank you, SIR! <salutes>

:D