Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

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Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby westside » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:29 pm

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Multiple gunbuster signs have appeared this summer at Edgewater Park, at the entrance to the beach area. Apparently they think that, because they are selling alcohol at the public beach, they can/must prohibit concealed carry there.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby Brian D. » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:40 pm

Cleveland governmental entities are certainly slow to let go of their predilections for unlawful firearms regulations, aren't they?
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby djthomas » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:31 pm

What's the precise wording on that sign? It seems to be missing about half of the standard gunbuster language. Since this is owned by the Cleveland Metroparks system I know they have the proper signage to be posted when it's required. My point being I wonder if this is some sneaky, modified sign that attempts to warn of the perils of carrying in a liquor establishment.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby westside » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:54 pm

No. They've got one of those "liquor establishment" signs too, but this is the kind of sign the Metroparks posts on their buildings. Sorry it's not a clearer picture, but I didn't want to be too conspicuous about taking it, because, after all, I was carrying.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby westside » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:31 pm

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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby JustaShooter » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:30 pm

Interesting - that's not the sign required to be posted on government facilities. Not that using that sign would make it any more or less legal, but still interesting.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:04 pm

The wording is not critical, as per R.C. 2923.1212...
...a sign that contains a statement in substantially the following form: "Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no person shall knowingly possess, have under the person's control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance onto these premises."...


The only issue here is that the facility is a city-owned park and cannot be posted.

Is there a liquor license issued to that park?
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby westside » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:20 pm

There must be, because there are signs prohibiting bringing outside liquor into the park, and signs prohibiting people from taking alcohol out of the beach area into the rest of the park. The concession stand also has the standard sign prohibiting guns where liquor is sold.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby Atilla » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:26 pm

They serve alcohol at the huge Thursday concerts and other events. The consumption area is roped off and those signs are at the borders of those areas.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby djthomas » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:48 pm

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:The only issue here is that the facility is a city-owned park and cannot be posted.

Just to be clear, ownership is a bit weird when it comes to Edgewater park. The park is owned by the city of Cleveland, however it is leased to the Cleveland Metroparks system, another governmental entity separate from the city and the county. The Metroparks handles day to day affairs.

They probably set it up this way with you in mind. Cleveland will refer you to the Metroparks. The Metroparks will refer you to Cleveland. :D

As far as the liquor license goes, it seems to be held by the Metroparks and not some private, contracted out entity (which might be their excuse for posting).

Permit Number: 07710350070
BOARD OF PARK COMMISSIONERS CLEVELAND METRO PARK DISTRICT
DBA EDGEWATER BEACH EATS & TREATS
7600 MEMORIAL SHOREWAY
CLEVELAND, OH
44102
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby Brian D. » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:32 pm

We need some teeth in ORC 9.68. Florida did pretty well with theirs, individual council persons and such can be fined up to like $5000. Must be paid out of their own pocket. So far that's survived court challenge. Ohio should go a little better and specify shooting the city law director, solicitor, etc. in the face. :twisted: Signs would be gone instantly.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:50 pm

Brian D. wrote:We need some teeth in ORC 9.68. Florida did pretty well with theirs, individual council persons and such can be fined up to like $5000. Must be paid out of their own pocket. So far that's survived court challenge. Ohio should go a little better and specify shooting the city law director, solicitor, etc. in the face. :twisted: Signs would be gone instantly.


You been smoking those 'special' cigars today, Brian? :P
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby Brian D. » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:42 pm

I just fully believe that whoever green lights putting the signs up knows they are illegal, but doesn't care because they won't be punished.
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby westside » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:32 pm

Bottom line: What's the best way to let them know they can't do this?
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Re: Edgewater Park (Cleveland Metroparks)

Postby pirateguy191 » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:14 pm

westside wrote:Bottom line: What's the best way to let them know they can't do this?


Carry. Get arrested. Win in court.
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