RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

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RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby mdoerner » Thu May 26, 2016 7:08 am

I know this is a touchy subject, but aren't Cleveland's rules on prohibiting firearms downtown during the RNC s violation of ORC 9.68? Link attached.
http://www.cleveland.com/rnc-2016/index.ssf/2016/05/civil_liberties_groups_call_cl.html#incart_2box

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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby pirateguy191 » Thu May 26, 2016 7:34 am

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson and others announced the protest route, and released a wide list of common items that would be banned during the RNC within downtown Cleveland, including coolers, tennis balls, squirt guns and various handheld weapons, besides firearms.


They aren't banning firearms downtown. They said at the news conference that they can't go against state laws.
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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby Brian D. » Thu May 26, 2016 8:39 am

In similar fashion, Cincinnati allows concealed or open carry on Fountain Square downtown. But if you go there for some sort of pro-gun rally, don't attach your cleverly worded sign to a 1"X 2" or any sort of stick, for that matter. they can and just may cite you for having such a "weapon". So, make the sign part of a chamber flag for your muzzle-up slung AR. That's fine.
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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby catfish86 » Thu May 26, 2016 9:12 am

I noticed most of the hay being raised is liberal groups looking to stage protests. Given Trump as the nominee, I would not want the Secret Service's job. Violence and/or assassination attempt are even more likely than usual.
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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby pirateguy191 » Thu May 26, 2016 10:41 am

Prohibited items list:

Section_III. Prohibited Items

(a) Definitions. As used in this section:
(1) The terms “Convention Period,” ”Event Zone,” “Public Grounds,”
“Secure Zone,” “Sidewalk,” and “Street” shall have the same meaning as
Section II of these Regulations; and
(2) ”Public Access Areas” shall mean any space in the Event Zone,
excluding spaces designated as the Secure Zone, that is open to access by the
general public, including Streets, Sidewalks and Public Grounds.
(b) Within all Public Access Areas, the following items are prohibited
during the Convention Period:
(1) Lumber larger than 2” in width and ¼” thick, including supports
for signs;
(2) Metal, plastic, or other hard material larger than ¾” thick and
1/8” in wall thickness including pipe and tubing;
(3) Any air rifle, air pistol, paintball gun, blasting caps, switchblade
or automatic knife, knife having a blade two and one-half (2-1/2) inches in
length or longer, cestus, billy, blackjack, sword, saber, hatchet, axe, slingshot,
BB gun, pellet gun, wrist shot, blackjack, metal knuckles, nun chucks, mace,
iron buckle, axe handle, shovel, or other instrumentality used to cause
property or personal damage;
(4) Any dangerous ordinance, weapon, or firearm that is prohibited
by the laws of the State of Ohio;
(5) Any explosives, explosive device, or incendiary device;
(6) Fireworks and rockets;
(7) Sound Amplification Equipment;
(8) Drones and other unmanned aircraft systems;
(9) Containers of bodily fluids;
(10) Aerosol cans;
(11) Mace, Pepper Spray or other chemical irritant;
(12) Umbrellas with metal tips;
(13) Any projectile launchers, such as water guns and water cannons;
(14) Rope, chain, cable, strapping, wire, string, line, tape, or any
similar material, in lengths greater than 6’;
(15) Glass bottles, ornaments, light bulbs, ceramic vessels, and any
other frangible container, regardless of whether the container holds any
substance;
(16) Locks including, without limitation, padlocks, bicycle locking
devices, chain locks or similar devices, but not including: (i) an integral
component of a conveyance or structure; (ii) locks when utilized by the owner
of private real property to secure permanent or temporary fencing; or (iii)
locks attached to a bicycle;
(17) Any gas mask or similar device designed to filter all air breathed
by the wearer in an attempt to protect the respiratory tract and/or face
against irritating or noxious gasses or other materials. This prohibition on
gas masks shall not apply to any person wearing a medical oxygen mask that
fits over the nose and mouth of the person and provides oxygen from an
oxygen tank to the person;
(18) Tents and other shelters, sleeping bags, sleeping pads,
mattresses, cots, hammocks, bivy sacks, or stoves;
(19) Coolers or ice chests;
(20) Backpacks and bags exceeding the size of 18” x 13” x 7”;
(21) Lasers;
(22) Non-plastic containers, bottles, cans, or thermoses;
(23) Ladders;
(24) Grappling hooks, sledgehammers, hammers, and crowbars;
(25) Canned goods;
(26) Tennis balls; and
(27) Any other item determined by the Chief or Director to be a clear
and present danger to the safety of others.


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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby JustaShooter » Thu May 26, 2016 10:54 am

So, #21 looks interesting. Wonder if they will think about using that prohibition to include laser sights on carry sidearms...
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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby pirateguy191 » Thu May 26, 2016 11:39 am

JustaShooter wrote:So, #21 looks interesting. Wonder if they will think about using that prohibition to include laser sights on carry sidearms...


I guess if it's part of the firearm, think Bodyguard, it would be OK. If it's added on to an accessory rail, probably not. Just my opinion.
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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby mdoerner » Thu May 26, 2016 1:03 pm

pirateguy191 wrote:
Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson and others announced the protest route, and released a wide list of common items that would be banned during the RNC within downtown Cleveland, including coolers, tennis balls, squirt guns and various handheld weapons, besides firearms.


They aren't banning firearms downtown. They said at the news conference that they can't go against state laws.


I took the "besides firearms" as meaning "including firearms". Sorry for my confusion.

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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby mdoerner » Thu May 26, 2016 1:07 pm

Now how are the police going to differentiate between BB guns and firearms if someone is open carrying.....without doing a stop and frisk?

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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby pirateguy191 » Thu May 26, 2016 3:01 pm

They can always ask.
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Re: RNC / City of Cleveland violation?

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Thu May 26, 2016 7:27 pm

pirateguy191 wrote:They can always ask.


And I can always tell them to go [this is a family friendly forum] themselves.

What I want to know is how they came up with the bag size limit of 18” x 13” x 7” on number 20.
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