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Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby wickedgreyzx3 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:45 am

Posted, No Firearms permitted. Called the Mayors office and asked about it, girl on the phone said, we can ban guns where ever we want, lol...

Sent an email off this morning CCing Mayor, Police, Parks and Law departments. will keep updated.
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby WY_Not » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:10 am

Did you get the twits name?
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby Werz » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:46 pm

Oh, dear! It appears that the City of Fairlawn is not familiar with R.C. 9.68.

"No person, other than law enforcement officers, shall possess, carry, control, discharge, use, convey or attempt to convey firearms of any description, including but not limited to, deadly weapons, dangerous ordnance or replica weapons in the park." Fairlawn Code for Ordinances § 1068.01(20).

"Weapons Generally. No person shall carry on or about his or her person a pistol, a knife having a blade two and one-half (2-1/2) inches in length or longer, knuckles, a billy or other dangerous weapon. However, upon the trial of this charge, the defendant shall be acquitted if it appears that he or she was at the time engaged in a lawful business, calling, employment or occupation, and that the circumstances in which he or she was placed justified a prudent man or woman to possess such a weapon for the defense of his or her person or family." Fairlawn Code for Ordinances § 672.02(a).
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby pirateguy191 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:45 pm

Give them one chance............then we walk. :P
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby Werz » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:36 pm

pirateguy191 wrote:Give them one chance............then we walk. :P

The best protocol is two chances: once in writing (by email), and once by personal appearance (before city council). Then we walk.

(In case we need to progress to the second stage - a city council meeting - is anyone in these forums a resident of Fairlawn?)

Keep in mind that, contrary to the popular belief in gun forums, most judges, lawyers, and government officials don't know that R.C. 9.68 even exists ... until they are confronted with a violation. You need to give them time to learn about it. I sometimes imagine them looking it up and saying, "Oh my God! Really?!"
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby wickedgreyzx3 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:12 pm

No response today. I'm off on Wednesday so if I don't get a reply by then I'll be showing up with a copy of 9.68
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby Werz » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:06 pm

wickedgreyzx3 wrote:No response today. I'm off on Wednesday so if I don't get a reply by then I'll be showing up with a copy of 9.68

I don't want to dash your hopes, but that alone won't do you much good. They may argue that there are many reasons why the statute does not apply to them.

You would be better served by also bringing along a copy of Cleveland v. State, 128 Ohio St.3d 135, 2010-Ohio-6318. Don't worry; you don't need to understand everything it says. Someone in city government will.
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:44 pm

Werz wrote:... I sometimes imagine them looking it up and saying, "Oh my God! Really?!"


I don't have to imagine it.

I've been there when they actually say that.

More than once. :twisted:
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby AlanM » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:15 am

Fairlawn's the place that tried to convene a "secret" town council meeting to pass an emergency gun ban about 10-15 years ago.
The local pro-gun people found out about the meeting and filled it with voters that told the council in no uncertain terms what would happen to their political careers if they passed the statute or tried it again.
One of the city officials involved was quite amazed at the reaction to their "secret" meeting. He was one of the speakers at a round table held by Toby Hoover at the Akron Public Library some time back.
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby JustJack » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:50 am

I popped them an email as well. Perhaps if they see resistance coming from multiple directions they will be a little quicker on the uptake.
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby wickedgreyzx3 » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:32 am

In regards to emails sent to Parks and Rec, mayors office, the law department and the police department being ignored.

The rules posted at Croghan park, and I am sure others are in clear violation of ORC 9.68. If you are not clear on ORC 9.68 it preempts any existing firearms laws, except for discharging ordinances and buildings where government employees regularly converge for business.

If you question the validity of my post, and continue to offer the blatant disrespect of the US and Ohio constitutions and that of the Ohio revised code similar to that, of the woman answering the phones at the mayors office on Wednesday June 10 2015, then you may want your law director to read http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/do ... o-6318.pdf


Posted that to Parks and Rec as well as the PDs Facebook page as well as a comment preceding that as, "failure to uphold the United States and Ohio constitutions"
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby wickedgreyzx3 » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:38 am

I am fairlawn resident. I'm sure I'm going to start getting pulled over everywhere I go from now on
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby wickedgreyzx3 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:54 pm

Thank you for your respective emails of June 12 & 13, 2015 regarding Code compliance with state law. I will review the same and make the appropriate changes where necessary and advise you accordingly.



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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby AlanM » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:08 am

Nice to see that's going to change for the better.
I used to take my youngest daughter to Croghan Park when she was just a toddler.
That was before we moved to Stow.
Good job!
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Re: Croghan Park Fairlawn, Posted

Postby Brian D. » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:13 am

Alan, I see nothing in that law Director's reply that says he's going to let a darn thing get changed. Just enough weasel wording to make one think he's going to take action.
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