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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby Uncle Duke » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:44 pm

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
djthomas wrote:Hmm .. I wonder what private entity is in perpetual lease of the park to be allowed to post ... I did a quick search of liquor permits assigned to South Main St in Akron and didn't come up with any.


No intermediate entity. Straight up Akron owned and managed.

The D permit is probably issued to city hall.


Loja department of liquor control issues liquor licenses to vendors who did not have a fixed location of business. These are typically vendors to travel from one venue to another, such as county fairs and community sponsored events. Thosef from the Akron area would be familiar with rocking on the river in Cuyahoga Falls and the various ethnic events that occur on the Front St., River Park Mall. For 20 years or so on Rockin' on the River was sponsored by the Cuyahoga Falls Jaycees who was the liquor permit holder, so if you went to the website for Ohio DLC you would only find permits issued to restaurants on Front Street.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:34 am

catfish86 wrote:... municipal owned, run by a contractor.


I would think it depends on the contract between the entities.

If it's just a contractor OPERATIING the garages, they can't post.

If the city LEASED the garages to the contractor, then they may post.

We tried to get that part fixed in HB 234, but it got dropped in committee.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby srtalkalot » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:43 am

Hi my name is Andy from Englewood Ohio Yes this is a proper posting under the law 2923.121(A) for people that open carry [b]without a ccw. Under 2923.121 (B) (1) This section does not apply to any of the following: (e) Any person who is carrying a valid concealed handgun license, as long as the person is not consuming beer or intoxicating liquor or under the influence of alcohol or a drug of abuse. With this being said if you have a CCW they can not stop you. This yea alone I bust Trotwood signs in parks and ordinances, Troy signs in parks,cemetery ordinances I was on the front page of there news paper. Also city of Kettering made them remove signs from the swimming pool building as part was a shelter between to buildings and restroom that was only accessible from out side doors . There law director had a meeting with the Assistant Attorney General of Ohio. Also made Miamiburg, and Centerville-Washington park district to remove signs and working with another city now. I also been working with the Advisory Council to the General Assembly. I been busy this year and plan on fighting next year too. One thing I hear on this site that {inappropriate language} me off, is the people that miss think that if some one work there they can not carry. This a misconception of the law, here is the way I can get you to believe it with out going into a lot of detail. The parking garage under the capital has ndividuals working there and we all know we can carry there. I can take this on to make shore CCW are allowed in but it hrs away from me. Also if you want to email me to ask questions or to get my number so I can help its srtalkalot@yahoo.com. Also I got some of my old emails I can send by email to help out. I hope I can help.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:19 pm

Srtalkalot-

1. Welcome back. We haven't heard from you since April.


2. When you say 'proper posting', are you referring to the original topic (Lock 3 Park) or the garages in the last few posts?

If about the park, how is it proper? Why would an open carrier not be allowed there if no alcohol is being consumed?


3. What "Advisory Council"? How do we contact them?


4. You CAN'T carry in the statehouse garage, you can only store your firearm in your vehicle.


5. Paragraphs and spelling.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby Mr. Glock » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:29 pm

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
catfish86 wrote:When I frequented downtown Akron I noticed that several municipal run parking garages were posted. At the courthouse I asked a deputy at the metal detector if someone with a concealed weapon permit storing there pistol in a trunk would be a violation, he shrugged and didn't answer. My point being that Akron and Summit County are less than respectful of concealed carry and firearms laws that limit their authority.


Can you give me more info about those garages? :twisted:


Canal Place Parking Garage, right off (I think) Main, across from the Akron bus terminal. Posted with weather-beaten signs (no doublet pre-change in the Ohio law) but owned by the City of Akron. I haven't been there is quite some time, but it probably hasn't changed.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby srtalkalot » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:11 am

1st if the park is a class D liquor permit it can be posted as you need a ccw. If you have a ccw then you can carry openly where a class D liquor permit is. I would recommend find out what class it is F or D permit then go from there. With the parking garage you said only store a firearm in a car this is wrong under 2923.126 (B) 9 " ... parking facility for motor vehicles, ...". No were dose it say in your can't carry in the capital garage. As per 2923.126 you can have them in a parking facility out side of a mother vehicle. Only can be in the parking facility for motor vehicles. As to advisory council they also control the parking facility under there capital and I been I contact with them planty of times.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby Werz » Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:30 am

Just a quick note. I walked by the park entrance Saturday night. The gunbuster sign is still there, right at the top of the sign post. If we plan to take any action on this, we should be pressing the city now so that, when the weather gets warm, we will be in a good position to give them notice of an upcoming open carry event.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby BB62 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:33 am

There is a good chance that some or all of the group taking part in the University of Akron Open Carry/Firearm Education Walk (on April 25) will mosey on down to Lock 3 Park for pictures and whatever after the UA Walk. The city/prosecutor has been notified of their deceptive, at minimum, signage - by someone other than myself. :?: :wink:

Also, a reporter from the Akron Beacon Journal has been made aware of the circumstances and the after-walk walk.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby Werz » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:28 pm

Has anyone been to an event at Lock 3 Park during which alcoholic beverages were being served?

If so, is there a specific location within the park from which those alcoholic beverages were dispensed?
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby MacDonald » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:34 am

srtalkalot wrote:1st if the park is a class D liquor permit it can be posted as you need a ccw. If you have a ccw then you can carry openly where a class D liquor permit is. I would recommend find out what class it is F or D permit then go from there. With the parking garage you said only store a firearm in a car this is wrong under 2923.126 (B) 9 " ... parking facility for motor vehicles, ...". No were dose it say in your can't carry in the capital garage. As per 2923.126 you can have them in a parking facility out side of a mother vehicle. Only can be in the parking facility for motor vehicles. As to advisory council they also control the parking facility under there capital and I been I contact with them planty of times.



you say ccw in your second sentence. Do you mean CHL (as Ohio issues)?
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby catfish86 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:05 pm

The ohio.com article on the UofA OC walk had the following on Lock3

http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/gun-rights-advocates-share-message-during-walk-across-university-of-akron-campus-1.586490

"The walk ended at Lock 3, where Smith and others took issue with the “No Firearms or Weapons Allowed on these premises” sign. The warning is unenforceable for a public park when people have a concealed carry permit and the area hasn’t been rented, Smith said.
“It is the wrong sign and it needs to be changed,” he said.
City Prosecutor Gert Wilms, reached after the walk, said the park is covered by a liquor permit and the sign is appropriate."

The following link shows a youtube vid, the end of which has the OC group mugging around the sign and inside the gate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_2XaaAaXk&feature=youtu.be
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby BB62 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:52 pm

catfish86 wrote:The ohio.com article on the UofA OC walk had the following on Lock3

http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/gun-rights-advocates-share-message-during-walk-across-university-of-akron-campus-1.586490

"The walk ended at Lock 3, where Smith and others took issue with the “No Firearms or Weapons Allowed on these premises” sign. The warning is unenforceable for a public park when people have a concealed carry permit and the area hasn’t been rented, Smith said.
“It is the wrong sign and it needs to be changed,” he said.
City Prosecutor Gert Wilms, reached after the walk, said the park is covered by a liquor permit and the sign is appropriate."

The following link shows a youtube vid, the end of which has the OC group mugging around the sign and inside the gate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_2XaaAaXk&feature=youtu.be

Here is a link to the Facebook event page for the walk: https://www.facebook.com/events/1592187871040889/

I wrote an e-mail to Ms. Wilms today, copying in the author of the newpaper article, asking Ms. Wilms to clarify her statement. I suspect she (or someone advising her) is playing games with the "Unless otherwise authorized by law" portion of the signage.
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby BB62 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:44 pm

Ohio needs a law like this: http://www.guns.com/2015/03/23/bill-aut ... as-senate/

Bill authorizing $10,000 fines for ‘no guns’ signs passes Texas Senate

"A proposal that won the approval of the Texas Senate last week could leave concealed carry permit holders in the Lone Star State with fewer “gun-free zones” — under threat of heavy fines.

The measure, filed in January, would not only prohibit many state and local public buildings from barring lawful concealed carry, it would strip sovereign immunity from governmental bodies and officials who pursued such policies and allow them to be sued by gun owners for damages..."
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby JustJack » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:12 pm

BB62 wrote:The measure, filed in January, would not only prohibit many state and local public buildings from barring lawful concealed carry, it would strip sovereign immunity from governmental bodies and officials who pursued such policies and allow them to be sued by gun owners for damages..."
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Re: Lock 3 Akron posted

Postby hAkron » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:43 am

Werz wrote:Has anyone been to an event at Lock 3 Park during which alcoholic beverages were being served?

If so, is there a specific location within the park from which those alcoholic beverages were dispensed?


There are a number of little stalls out of which they serve beverages (beer, wine, soda, water). These are along the front of the venue (closest to Main Street. I don't know if each stall is a separate private vendor, or if all of the vendors work for the promoter, or for the venue.
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