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This sub-forum is strictly for the purpose of submitting of, and status updates related to, ORC 9.68 compliance. This could mean park bans, open carry bans, or anything that is a compliance issue. Note the format in which original threads were created. We'll track each individual case here and post updates if assistance is needed, etc. You may start a new thread here to notify us of a non-compliant scenario. Please try to research contact information for each city, village, etc, Email, fax, and postal addresses are great. Digital photos of infractions (Signs) are ideal. With limited exceptions this is NOT a discussion forum.

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Re: Message to Site Coordinators Moderators Patrons

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:49 am

The Mayor's office staff tell me that there was a different ordinance passed in 2015.

The online codified ordinances haven't been updated since 3/15 so I've made a records request to the Waverly Auditor's office.

Hopefully they fixed their ordinance. If so, getting the signs down is as simple as a work order.
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Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:12 pm

Okay, got the full run-around.

The lady in the Mayor's office said there was legislation passed in 2015 to fix the ordinance I was referring to and that I should contact the Auditor for a copy.

The Auditor (as I suspected) told me that I would have to contact the Council Clerk.

The Clerk said, late last week, that she wouldn't be able to look until this week.

I just got her email this evening:

I have searched the records for 2015 and have not found any legislation that deals with firearms. I will be in the office again later this week or weekend and will search the 2014 records. I also emailed a council member for an approximate time frame.

Tracey Lamerson
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Just left a voicemail. Hope they return my call before I finish repairing the brakes on my truck tomorrow morning. Waverly and back would be a nice trip to take for a brake check. :twisted:
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Postby slidelock » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:23 am

Count me in, I am local to Waverly and would be willing to help anyway I can.
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Re: Message to Site Coordinators Moderators Patrons

Postby docachna » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:14 am

You're probably already well aware of it, but the Ohio AG has pretty decent online assistance for Open Records requests:

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Legal/Sunshine-Laws


If I were still rabble-rousing in Ohio, the Sunshine Laws manual would be front and center on my computer desktop:

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Files/Publications-Files/Publications-for-Legal/Sunshine-Law-Publications/2015-Sunshine-Laws-Manual.aspx

Good luck with this one. Sounds like you're getting the old Southern Ahia Curly Shuffle !!!!!
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Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:12 pm

slidelock wrote:Count me in, I am local to Waverly and would be willing to help anyway I can.


Do you have time to visit a Waverly park (or two) and snap a picture of the offending signage?
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Postby Stryker74 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:16 pm

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
slidelock wrote:Count me in, I am local to Waverly and would be willing to help anyway I can.


Do you have time to visit a Waverly park (or two) and snap a picture of the offending signage?


We have pictures now. Chuck and I were in Waverly early this morning on the way to Fun 'n Gun, so we snapped some pictures.

I will let Chuck post his picture - it's a better shot.
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Re: Message to Site Coordinators Moderators Patrons

Postby slidelock » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:26 pm

Sorry I missed your request. Been down with the flu since Friday. Next time.
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Re: Message to Site Coordinators Moderators Patrons

Postby gaptrick » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:46 pm

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:I don't know who discussed what with whom, Brian, but I might take you up on that offer. Of course, it's supposed to rain Thursday and Friday, but less so on Thursday.

Maybe we can meet up at that Tim Horton's doughnut shop beforehand.


Looks like Waverly made a move after our contact with them in July and August of 2014.

In September, 2014, they changed their park (and skate park) rules:

965.01
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(f) Firearms , fireworks or explosives of any kind are strictly prohibited, pursuant to law. Nothing in this section shall preclude the holders of concealed handgun permits possessing a valid license to carry a handgun in Village of Waverly’s public parks.
(Ord. 48-2014. Passed 9-2-14.)


This is why they would not have taken down the signs. They think they are 'following the law'. :roll:


As certain as I am you are not missing a beat as you rarely do, I mention in passing that they specify "Concealed carry" permits... Open carriers be damned?
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Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:56 pm

Yep.

That's the issue I'm bringing up with them.
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Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Wed May 18, 2016 1:55 pm

Okay, so I let these folks slide while I had things going on this Spring, but they reached out to me to see if they had answered my inquiry to my satisfaction.

Since they were so nice about it, I worked with them for a few days, emailing their council clerk back and forth. She finally confirmed that the last ordinance passed regarding firearms WAS the one that 'allowed' CHL holders to carry in the parks, but no one else. :roll:

The council declared the ordinance an emergency...and still had 3 readings. That meant the ordinance had a 2014 designation (#81-2014) but wasn't passed until Jan. 6, 2015. That's probably the source of the confusion I ran into.

I thanked the clerk for her efforts and sent them my interpretation of state law and how their current ordinances (two - one for regular parks and one for skate parks) are in violation of state law, along with references to "OFCC v. Clyde" and "Cleveland v. State 2010".

The Mayor of Waverly called today, but I wasn't in. I just returned his call and got stuck in his voicemail, also. I'll try him again later today.
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Re: Message to Site Coordinators Moderators Patrons

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Wed May 25, 2016 5:02 pm

Had a nice chat with the Mayor last week. He seems to remember discussing dropping the "firearms" wording from their ordinances last year, but thinks that they just didn't get around to it.

He said he would bring it up with their legal folks and see what they remember and where they should go from there. He would call me back this week.

So, he confirmed what he though when I talked to him today. The parties involved remember discussing the issue, but no ordinance made it to council.

They will be putting together a corrective ordinance and it should be read at the next council meeting. The Mayor didn't know if it would be introduced as an emergency or not, but I assured him that folks would be happy that they are fixing the issue.

So, anyone up for visiting the next Waverly city council meeting? It should be on June 7, 2016. (http://www.cityofwaverly.net/)
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Postby AmendII71 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:23 am

Sorry. I have not been keeping up with this post. My bad. I can check the with the Council Clerk to see if this Ordinance passed if someone wants me to.
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Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:13 am

AmendII71 wrote:Sorry. I have not been keeping up with this post. My bad. I can check the with the Council Clerk to see if this Ordinance passed if someone wants me to.


Yes, please.
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Postby AmendII71 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:37 pm

Emailed clerk today.
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Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:27 pm

AmendII71 wrote:Emailed clerk today.

Any response?
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