This is quite vague, specifically the part about being subject to ORC 2923. There are quite a few sections of 2923, including the one that allows for licensed concealed carry. Does this mean that CHL holders can carry there? What about open carry? I would like to see some clarification on this, because I'm sure the "subject to ORC 2923" will probably appear on printed signage at the park if it isn't there already.Park guidelines prohibit...
* Weapons of any kind, with the exception of law enforcement officers and subject to Ohio Revised Code Chapter 2923.
* Illegal activities, posting of signs, destroying or defacing park property, metal detectors, sleeping, panhandling, skateboarding, feeding pigeons, fires, wading, swimming, camping, littering, golf, remote control or motorized toys....<snip>
Park Rules and Regulations are subject to change.
Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
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Re: Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
Looks to me like they specifically included the 2923 language because they thought it would allow them to comply with 9.68. However, since 2923 does not mention open carry, the way the rules are written, it appears that they would prohibit it...therefore putting them back out of compliance with 9.68.P-chan wrote:http://columbuscommons.org/visit/park-rules/
This is quite vague, specifically the part about being subject to ORC 2923. There are quite a few sections of 2923, including the one that allows for licensed concealed carry. Does this mean that CHL holders can carry there? What about open carry? I would like to see some clarification on this, because I'm sure the "subject to ORC 2923" will probably appear on printed signage at the park if it isn't there already.Park guidelines prohibit...
* Weapons of any kind, with the exception of law enforcement officers and subject to Ohio Revised Code Chapter 2923.
* Illegal activities, posting of signs, destroying or defacing park property, metal detectors, sleeping, panhandling, skateboarding, feeding pigeons, fires, wading, swimming, camping, littering, golf, remote control or motorized toys....<snip>
Park Rules and Regulations are subject to change.
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Re: Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
That's what I figured. Are you going to call them and sort it out? I know that's kind of your thing...charben wrote:Looks to me like they specifically included the 2923 language because they thought it would allow them to comply with 9.68. However, since 2923 does not mention open carry, the way the rules are written, it appears that they would prohibit it...therefore putting them back out of compliance with 9.68.P-chan wrote:http://columbuscommons.org/visit/park-rules/
This is quite vague, specifically the part about being subject to ORC 2923. There are quite a few sections of 2923, including the one that allows for licensed concealed carry. Does this mean that CHL holders can carry there? What about open carry? I would like to see some clarification on this, because I'm sure the "subject to ORC 2923" will probably appear on printed signage at the park if it isn't there already.Park guidelines prohibit...
* Weapons of any kind, with the exception of law enforcement officers and subject to Ohio Revised Code Chapter 2923.
* Illegal activities, posting of signs, destroying or defacing park property, metal detectors, sleeping, panhandling, skateboarding, feeding pigeons, fires, wading, swimming, camping, littering, golf, remote control or motorized toys....<snip>
Park Rules and Regulations are subject to change.
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Re: Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
I'd be happy to. However, this week I am swamped and cannot promise I'll get to it. If you would like to make the call yourself, I can coach you on what to say. PM me and I'll give you my phone number.P-chan wrote: That's what I figured. Are you going to call them and sort it out? I know that's kind of your thing...
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"If you walk out of your house carrying your gun (openly or otherwise) and you DO NOT fully understand the law, then you are NOT completely armed..."
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"If you walk out of your house carrying your gun (openly or otherwise) and you DO NOT fully understand the law, then you are NOT completely armed..."
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Was there this morning, its posted on the big park rules sign. Has anyone got the wheels turning on this?
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Was this situation ever corrected/clarified?
The on-line version of the Park Rules does not appear to have changed from the reference to ORC 2923.
The on-line version of the Park Rules does not appear to have changed from the reference to ORC 2923.
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Just sent this:
To whom it may concern-
Can you please advise me on the rules regarding firearms at Columbus Commons Park and other parks in Columbus?
I prefer to openly carry my handgun in a hip holster. I was advised by an acquaintance that openly carried firearms are not allowed at the park.
Since this goes against state preemption (ORC 9.68), I was hoping you could confirm for me what the rules actually are.
Thanks!
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Jeebus, what exactly are you supposed to do for fun in a park?Park guidelines prohibit...
* Weapons of any kind, with the exception of law enforcement officers and subject to Ohio Revised Code Chapter 2923.
* Illegal activities, posting of signs, destroying or defacing park property, metal detectors, sleeping, panhandling, skateboarding, feeding pigeons, fires, wading, swimming, camping, littering, golf, remote control or motorized toys....<snip>
Park Rules and Regulations are subject to change.
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Re: Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
Was there any update on this. I received an email about the Micheal McDonald concert that is gonna be held there and one of the things they list is no weapons allowed.
Anyone?
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Re: Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
If it is a private entity putting on the concert, and they are leasing the property then they are able to post it as a CPZ.
(3) (a) Except as provided in division (C)(3)(b) of this section, the owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by the state, the United States, or a political subdivision of the state or the United States, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or on those premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on or onto that land or those premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature and the posted land or premises primarily was a parking lot or other parking facility, the person is not guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and instead is subject only to a civil cause of action for trespass based on the violation.
Ignorant or Stupid, I'm not sure which is worse. If someone were stupid, at least they'd have an excuse for all the dumb things they say.
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I'm not even sure how I would go about finding that out... It is being advertised as a FREE concert.
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Re: Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
The question is who is putting it on? Do you have a flyer for it or link to some advertisement? Every year Blue Ash does the Red, White, and Blue Ash. For the past many years it was on public property and now it's on private property. They have always posted no CCW. However, even with the change in venue, it's still a Blue Ash event. Therefore I don't think they can post it. The busineses may be able to, but even then, I'd argue it's a parking lot and one roadway that they shut down. So, it's a civil matter.mva1985 wrote:I'm not even sure how I would go about finding that out... It is being advertised as a FREE concert.
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The web site makes no mention of no weapons
http://www.columbuscommons.org/happenin ... g-weekend/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.columbuscommons.org/happenin ... g-weekend/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Feel welcome to bring the following:
Lawn or folding chairs
Breathable blankets
Coolers (we reserve the right to search coolers)
Food and non-alcoholic beverages (food and beverages will be sold at the event as well)
Bicycles, providing they are locked up at appropriate bike racks throughout the park.
The following items will not be permitted:
Alcoholic beverages (alcohol will be sold at the event)
Plastic tarps
Tents
Ignorant or Stupid, I'm not sure which is worse. If someone were stupid, at least they'd have an excuse for all the dumb things they say.
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Yeah i saw that but the email i received mentioned it. Im not overly concerned about it.
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Re: Columbus Commons (city park) : Weapons prohibited
I haven't received a reply to my email. I'll make a phone call, then a FOIA request, if needed.
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