Carry with no round chambered.

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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby schmieg » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:47 pm

Brian D. wrote:Come on gang, all this back and forth about comparing the military to...whatever. It was fun for a minute, but really! You can be attacked while you're in your home. You can be attacked while away from home. You can be ambushed as you're leaving your home, or entering it. All these things can and do occur.

A little more about that last situation I mentioned. You arrive home late one evening and see someone you don't know inside skulking around. Okay, so normally you'd call the police and wait outside, but your wife and kids are in there too. So, you have to go in. Now's not the time to be trying to quietly chamber a round. Pulling the slide back slow and/or controlling its forward movement is a terrific way to make a semi-auto choke.

Or, when you're sitting in your family room and the front door is kicked in. I'm sitting in my basement right now with the Beretta chambered and on my hip.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby TSiWRX » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:21 am

^ Definitely.

There are so many tales of gun-owners who have had to either fight to their home-defense weapons or have suffered needless injury because of such a struggle.

It's really worth it for every armed defender to consider seriously just how quickly such an episode can play out, and whether if their home-defense plan actually jibes with reality.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby Aesinsp » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:19 pm

You, me.. no one gets to decide when evil stops by - or if it knocks or kicks into the door as has been pointed out.. @noon or midnight.. Is it likely? Maybe not.. maybe.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby Kenosis » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:18 pm

TSiWRX wrote:I see what you're saying, schmieg, but from the discourse in the thread so far, I'm definitely not reading it as you are. I'm getting the distinct feeling that Kenosis's point is that there isn't a need to chamber that round. That, to me, my home/property is the "FOB," that as soon as I open that door, we are, as you noted, "over the wire" - but that Kenosis's view is that, as civilians inside the US, we're "on base."

TSiWRX I think you read me clearly. I feel 'on the FOB' everywhere I've been in Ohio so far.

Schmieg is right, however, in that it all depends on one's perspective. Here in Williams County I feel 'on the FOB' when I'm at the store, park, or at work, 24/7. Now if I were in a high crime area, like Chicago, which literally has a higher homicide rate than war-torn Afghanistan, I would sleep in body armor and my round-in-chamber rifle on my chest :)
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby Kenosis » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:23 pm

Brian D. wrote:A little more about that last situation I mentioned. You arrive home late one evening and see someone you don't know inside skulking around. Okay, so normally you'd call the police and wait outside, but your wife and kids are in there too. So, you have to go in. Now's not the time to be trying to quietly chamber a round. Pulling the slide back slow and/or controlling its forward movement is a terrific way to make a semi-auto choke.

Ohio law requires that as an unlicensed citizen I unload my gun while driving. The law does not afford me the choice but to make noise by racking the slide; and then only after exiting my car to retrieve the ammunition.

If I'm a victim of road rage while driving home tomorrow, I'm screwed. Ohio law denies my RKBA within my own car while driving. IMO saying carrying in your car is concealed is like saying carrying inside your house is concealed, but one is legal and the other is not. The law is inconsistent (imagine that!).

If we could just change the law so that entering a car doesn't change the definition of how one carries, that would be a great start.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby Brian D. » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:44 pm

Yeah I know the laws, Kenosis, been here done this a long time now. My hypothetical was more of a just that, hypothetical, for the crowd at large in this thread.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby curmudgeon3 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:53 pm

The OSHP has determined that unlicensed (unvetted) individuals inside a car with a loaded gun puts the lives of Patrolmen at risk of unknowns when enforcing laws at a traffic stop. I tend to agree.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby Bama.45 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:33 pm

curmudgeon3 wrote:The OSHP has determined that unlicensed (unvetted) individuals inside a car with a loaded gun puts the lives of Patrolmen at risk of unknowns when enforcing laws at a traffic stop. I tend to agree.



Ah, but how many criminals don't carry inside their car because they can't get a CHL and they don't give a crap?...They gotta get to the scene of where they commit their crimes somehow..What about the ones that walk around with a concealed weapon?..Laws don't stop anyone but law abiding citizens.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby curmudgeon3 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:12 pm

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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby Bama.45 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:35 pm

The point is..Did it being against the law stop them?..Evidently not..That's my point..You're going to have people carry firearms when they shouldn't be..But hamstringing folks that ARE law abiding, will in no way stop that...This law is no different than any other gun law.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby WestonDon » Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:42 pm

curmudgeon3 wrote:The OSHP has determined that unlicensed (unvetted) individuals inside a car with a loaded gun puts the lives of Patrolmen at risk of unknowns when enforcing laws at a traffic stop. I tend to agree.


I respectfully submit that it is not the lack of license/vetting that creates the risk to patrolmen. Rather it is the presence of homicide prone criminals with or without guns that creates the risk. No doubt that a homicide prone criminal with a gun is more of a risk than a homicide prone criminal without a gun.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby curmudgeon3 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:59 pm

It's for the Officers' safety, it alerts them, as demonstrated in the article. (Stop & frisk was made illegal.) Rules of engagement letting the predators shoot first is hardly conducive to Officer safety.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby JustaShooter » Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:09 pm

curmudgeon3 wrote:It's for the Officers' safety, it alerts them, as demonstrated in the article.

How does alerting the officer of a law-abiding citizen in possession of a firearm help officer safety when executing a stop on a criminal in possession of a firearm? :?
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby curmudgeon3 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:37 pm

JustaShooter wrote:
curmudgeon3 wrote:It's for the Officers' safety, it alerts them, as demonstrated in the article.

How does alerting the officer of a law-abiding citizen in possession of a firearm help officer safety when executing a stop on a criminal in possession of a firearm? :?

Obviously, it doesn't.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.

Postby JustaShooter » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:10 pm

curmudgeon3 wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:
curmudgeon3 wrote:It's for the Officers' safety, it alerts them, as demonstrated in the article.

How does alerting the officer of a law-abiding citizen in possession of a firearm help officer safety when executing a stop on a criminal in possession of a firearm? :?

Obviously, it doesn't.

Well there you go. It's another gun law that only affects law-abiding citizens, and provides no amount of officer safety. Just like we are able to carry freely in our own homes without a license, we should be able to carry freely in our vehicles without a license.
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