Carry with no round chambered.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.
It's why I drew the quote out via a copy-paste.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.
While agree with this as I ALWAYS carry C1, I have a few comments to add:Michael wrote:There is no logical or rational reason to not carry with a round in the chamber.
My husband was a career Army MP. He was trained and has 'carried' this way [ETA: empty pipe] since he was 18. He'll be 50 this year. He refused to get a CHL, so that puts him a situation similar to what the OP is currently experiencing. It's what he knows and where he's comfortable. He's afraid of making that change.
That all makes sense to me....except.....I hope I remember that extra step if I ever need to reach for his handgun to defend myself. I remind myself of it constantly. We practice it regularly at the range where we lay both on the bench and he'll call out a scenario that tells me which one to pick up and fire. It seems to help. I still have to be hyper-aware and trust I can remember that.
If he racks mine, he simply loses a round. If I forget to rack his, it may be too late. I remind him of this often
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.
I cut newbies a little slack. Being new to CC, and fairly new to gun in general, the first week or two I carried with an empty chamber. The paranoia of being only a step away from firing (no manual safely on a Glock) was a bit much for a noob. My friend and teacher just looked at me squarely and directly and said "Just be aware of the condition you're carrying in.".
After a week or so of carrying, putting the holster on, off, occasional handling to unload, whatever, I got over it.
After a week or so of carrying, putting the holster on, off, occasional handling to unload, whatever, I got over it.
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I'm not sure what they are teaching now in the Army with the M9's, but we were told to never carry with a round chambered with the 1911. I did not follow that training while in the bush in Viet Nam however.bearkitty wrote:While agree with this as I ALWAYS carry C1, I have a few comments to add:Michael wrote:There is no logical or rational reason to not carry with a round in the chamber.
My husband was a career Army MP. He was trained and has 'carried' this way [ETA: empty pipe] since he was 18. He'll be 50 this year. He refused to get a CHL, so that puts him a situation similar to what the OP is currently experiencing. It's what he knows and where he's comfortable. He's afraid of making that change.
That all makes sense to me....except.....I hope I remember that extra step if I ever need to reach for his handgun to defend myself. I remind myself of it constantly. We practice it regularly at the range where we lay both on the bench and he'll call out a scenario that tells me which one to pick up and fire. It seems to help. I still have to be hyper-aware and trust I can remember that.
If he racks mine, he simply loses a round. If I forget to rack his, it may be too late. I remind him of this often
Back then, many of the pilots carried revolvers as they were afraid of not having use of both hands after a crash. The empty chamber on the 1911 had been drilled into them hard.
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.
schmieg wrote:bearkitty wrote:I'm not sure what they are teaching now in the Army with the M9's, but we were told to never carry with a round chambered with the 1911. I did not follow that training while in the bush in Viet Nam however.Michael wrote:There is no logical or rational reason to not carry with a round in the chamber.
Back then, many of the pilots carried revolvers as they were afraid of not having use of both hands after a crash. The empty chamber on the 1911 had been drilled into them hard.
When I was in country, the first thing you did when going outside the wire was to chamber a round. (in every weapon)
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.
Same here, but as civilians within the United States we are not "in country". We are on the FOB.Sneakypete wrote: When I was in country, the first thing you did when going outside the wire was to chamber a round. (in every weapon)
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.
I have no problem carrying with a round chambered. I'm well trained in firearms and have a fair amount of experience with the majority of small arms the Army issues.JonasM wrote:I cut newbies a little slack. Being new to CC, and fairly new to gun in general, the first week or two I carried with an empty chamber. The paranoia of being only a step away from firing (no manual safely on a Glock) was a bit much for a noob. My friend and teacher just looked at me squarely and directly and said "Just be aware of the condition you're carrying in.".
After a week or so of carrying, putting the holster on, off, occasional handling to unload, whatever, I got over it.
I have no problem carrying without a round chambered, too, if that's what keeps the MWAG calls away. The very last thing I need is an incident for the ex to use in court during our upcoming child custody case.
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Ah, but Kenosis, that depends on one's outlook.....Kenosis wrote:Same here, but as civilians within the United States we are not "in country". We are on the FOB.Sneakypete wrote: When I was in country, the first thing you did when going outside the wire was to chamber a round. (in every weapon)
How many times have we heard the victim say: "I never thought it could happen to me?"
How many times have we heard - or, for several on this Forum, even have typed these very words after reading or viewing the morning news feed - "Wow, that's just down the street?"
Depending on how one views things, as soon as you step outside your door/property, you're "in country."
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He's saying the same thing you are. FOB is Forward Operations Base.TSiWRX wrote:Ah, but Kenosis, that depends on one's outlook.....Kenosis wrote:Same here, but as civilians within the United States we are not "in country". We are on the FOB.Sneakypete wrote: When I was in country, the first thing you did when going outside the wire was to chamber a round. (in every weapon)
How many times have we heard the victim say: "I never thought it could happen to me?"
How many times have we heard - or, for several on this Forum, even have typed these very words after reading or viewing the morning news feed - "Wow, that's just down the street?"
Depending on how one views things, as soon as you step outside your door/property, you're "in country."
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^ Not how I'm reading it -
To me, Kenosis suggests that we're still "on base," which is why there's no need to have a round in the chamber - it's only when we go "over the wire" that we would need to do so.
To me, Kenosis suggests that we're still "on base," which is why there's no need to have a round in the chamber - it's only when we go "over the wire" that we would need to do so.
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Over the wire is out the front door.TSiWRX wrote:^ Not how I'm reading it -
To me, Kenosis suggests that we're still "on base," which is why there's no need to have a round in the chamber - it's only when we go "over the wire" that we would need to do so.
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What I read of sneakypete's last post is that "on-base" - without stepping "outside the wire" as Sneakypete put it - the gun is without a round in the chamber.
What I read of Kenosis's view is that we're not "outside the wire," but rather, that as citizens within CONUS, we are within the confines of the base (FOB it may be, but still behind the wire), and therefore without the need to carry with a round chambered.Sneakypete wrote: When I was in country, the first thing you did when going outside the wire was to chamber a round. (in every weapon)
I see what you're saying, schmieg, but from the discourse in the thread so far, I'm definitely not reading it as you are. I'm getting the distinct feeling that Kenosis's point is that there isn't a need to chamber that round. That, to me, my home/property is the "FOB," that as soon as I open that door, we are, as you noted, "over the wire" - but that Kenosis's view is that, as civilians inside the US, we're "on base."Kenosis wrote:Same here, but as civilians within the United States we are not "in country". We are on the FOB.Sneakypete wrote: When I was in country, the first thing you did when going outside the wire was to chamber a round. (in every weapon)
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Re: Carry with no round chambered.
Come on gang, all this back and forth about comparing the military to...whatever. It was fun for a minute, but really! You can be attacked while you're in your home. You can be attacked while away from home. You can be ambushed as you're leaving your home, or entering it. All these things can and do occur.
A little more about that last situation I mentioned. You arrive home late one evening and see someone you don't know inside skulking around. Okay, so normally you'd call the police and wait outside, but your wife and kids are in there too. So, you have to go in. Now's not the time to be trying to quietly chamber a round. Pulling the slide back slow and/or controlling its forward movement is a terrific way to make a semi-auto choke.
A little more about that last situation I mentioned. You arrive home late one evening and see someone you don't know inside skulking around. Okay, so normally you'd call the police and wait outside, but your wife and kids are in there too. So, you have to go in. Now's not the time to be trying to quietly chamber a round. Pulling the slide back slow and/or controlling its forward movement is a terrific way to make a semi-auto choke.
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!
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^ Definitely true.Brian D. wrote:Come on gang, all this back and forth about comparing the military to...whatever. It was fun for a minute, but really! You can be attacked while you're in your home. You can be attacked while away from home. You can be ambushed as you're leaving your home, or entering it. All these things can and do occur.
While there's a lot of parallels between the civilian, police, and military worlds, there's also a lot of very distinct differences.
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