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CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:46 pm
by Bruenor
I Know this forum is for Ohio open carry, but I thought you might appreciate picking apart this document.

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The memo is a five-page guide released by Senior Assistant State’s Attorney Timothy Sugrue to the Chief State’s Attorney’s Office. As explained by Connecticut Carry, the document concedes the unconcealed carry of a firearm with a valid permit in the state is lawful and that police cannot stop someone performing such open carry unless they have probable cause.

Then proceeds to outline just what an officer can and cannot do other than that.
“The State’s Attorney’s Office has made it clear that they will put their collectivist politics over the need for them to perform their job as advocates of the law,” says Connecticut Carry President Rich Burgess in a statement. “Mentioning mass shootings and the fear-based political climates that their collectivist ilk have manufactured to describe how police should interact with law abiding members of the population is the height of propaganda.”

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:39 am
by WY_Not
That person is exactly why tar and feathers were invented.

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:23 am
by docachna
Is there a CT statutory prohibition against deliberately interfering with the civil rights of a citizen ? Seems to me this propaganda is encouraging LEO to do precisely that.

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:03 pm
by MyWifeSaidYes
What's wrong with the document?

It appears to give officers the guidelines they need when contacting or seizing an OC'er.

No, I would prefer that this document not make it into the hands of every cop in the field, but it is FAR better than the cops guessing...and guessing wrong.

Remember, those folks can only open carry WITH a permit, and this document SPELLS OUT that the police can NOT stop an OC'er just to see if they have a permit.

That's huge.


Yes, the document pushes the 'disorderly conduct' idea pretty hard, but their statute requires 'intent'.

These are just growing pains that the state and its citizens will have to deal with.

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:50 pm
by BobK
The story is as old as Aesop's "The Scorpion and the Frog".

No surprises in that document. At least this froggie was smart enough to leave CT and move back to OH 39 years ago because I wasn't going to get fooled by any hitchhiking scorpions.

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:23 pm
by eye95
BobK wrote:The story is as old as Aesop's "The Scorpion and the Frog".

No surprises in that document. At least this froggie was smart enough to leave CT and move back to OH 39 years ago because I wasn't going to get fooled by any hitchhiking scorpions.
Welcome back to the US.

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:25 pm
by keepitsimple
"The law says you can't just stop someone openly carrying a hangun and ask them to produce a permit. However, utilizing some extremely broad interpretations of currently existing laws I'm going to outline exactly how you can still harass them in a legal manner."

When the top LEOs have to bend and flex this much to subvert the obvious intention of a law (in this case, not harassing citizens openly carrying firearms), they no longer belong in the business of public service.

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:43 pm
by MyWifeSaidYes
keepitsimple wrote:...
When the top LEOs have to bend and flex this much to subvert the obvious intention of a law (in this case, not harassing citizens openly carrying firearms), they no longer belong in the business of public service.
Absolutely.

Re: CT State attorneys guide on how to harrass open carriers

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:44 pm
by eye95
keepitsimple wrote:"The law says you can't just stop someone openly carrying a hangun and ask them to produce a permit. However, utilizing some extremely broad interpretations of currently existing laws I'm going to outline exactly how you can still harass them in a legal manner."

When the top LEOs have to bend and flex this much to subvert the obvious intention of a law (in this case, not harassing citizens openly carrying firearms), they no longer belong in the business of public service.
Nailed it.