Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

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Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby JU-87 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:44 am

Hi all
I saw a guy Open Carrying at the Strongsville, Ohio, Wal-Mart on Friday 12-18-15 , at about 7pm.
He was wearing a Iraq Veteran ball cap, casual dressed, except for the M1911 (not A1) in a US military leather flap holster on the right side of his belt!
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I expressed my approval, and talked with him a while. I told him about OFCC, and recommended this forum.
That is the first time I have seen someone OC. Kinda neat to see. :)
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby Curzyk » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:46 am

Neat. I had read somewhere once that a flap holster counts as "concealed"?
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby buckeye43210 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:47 am

Curzyk wrote:Neat. I had read somewhere once that a flap holster counts as "concealed"?


I guy in West Park was arrested for carrying in holster with a flap.

Link to topic here.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby Curzyk » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:21 pm

buckeye43210 wrote:
Curzyk wrote:Neat. I had read somewhere once that a flap holster counts as "concealed"?


I guy in West Park was arrested for carrying in holster with a flap.

Link to topic here.

Thanks. That was a lot to sift through.. Long, drawn-out case ending in diversion. Here is the most relevant post in that thread:
http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php? ... 40#p366352
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby Brian D. » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:34 pm

That case set a rather ugly precedent.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby M-Quigley » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:29 pm

In either the alleged criminal case in the links, or the Walmart carrier in the OP, did the flap holster completely conceal the handgun? Or was the bottom portion of the grip visible?
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby Brian D. » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:37 am

M-Quigley wrote:In either the alleged criminal case in the links, or the Walmart carrier in the OP, did the flap holster completely conceal the handgun? Or was the bottom portion of the grip visible?


If I recall the court case right, it was a holster secured by a flap on top. Not a full "hoodie" if you will, so some of the grip frame was visible. That's just my recollection.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby CroManGun » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:48 am

Brian D. wrote:
M-Quigley wrote:In either the alleged criminal case in the links, or the Walmart carrier in the OP, did the flap holster completely conceal the handgun? Or was the bottom portion of the grip visible?


If I recall the court case right, it was a holster secured by a flap on top. Not a full "hoodie" if you will, so some of the grip frame was visible. That's just my recollection.

Basically a super-sized retention strap.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby Curzyk » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:02 am

CroManGun wrote:Basically a super-sized retention strap.

But what level retention? :lol:
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby dcludwig » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:34 am

I purchased on E bay a patent leather holster for my Model 59 S&W. It was such a great price, I couldn't pass it up. It DOES have a full flap so I think that technically makes it concealed. But with my CHL I can carry with that holster, correct? It's not my EDC and is large enough I don't I would use it as such. It was the pistol Serpico bought during his bad times with NYPD. It's a nice pistol and I do like the 17 round magazine.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby Brian D. » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:44 am

Of course that's perfectly legal for a CHL holder, dcludwig. Whether it's the most practical rig is the real question.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby dcludwig » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:50 pm

Brian D. wrote:Of course that's perfectly legal for a CHL holder, dcludwig. Whether it's the most practical rig is the real question.


No, it's not at all. I think may have a police officers dress uniform. It looks so pretty it's almost tacky. But it is well made and only cost $5. I don't get how a flap can make it concealed. Sure, it covers it up, but gosh, who couldn't tell what that was on your hip?
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby Brian D. » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:01 pm

What do I keep telling you about applying your finely tuned common sense to the workings of our legal system, dc? That court case from West Park (near Cleveland) should tell you we still have some police officers, prosecutors, and judges who are driven by lefty agenda more than letter of law.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby M-Quigley » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:33 am

I'm surprised that there already isn't some legal precedence or case law on the issue of flap holsters. Flap style and other holsters were discussed in a OPOTC class in 1980 r/t concealed versus open carry, but I don't know where the instructor was getting his interpretation from. Perhaps it was just his interpretation of the law. The instructor was from SW Ohio, not NE. He said basically if you could see enough of the top of the gun that it was clearly visible that a handgun was inside it, it was open carry. If the flap completely covered the top so that the only way that you could tell whether a handgun was inside the holster was by raising the flap, it might be considered concealed. In an example shown, you could clearly see the bottom portion of a handgun grip sticking out of the back of the flap holster.
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Re: Saw a Open Carryer at Wal-Mart!

Postby gaptrick » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:32 pm

Where DOES common sense enter? I mean its a HOLSTER for a GUN ... And without looking back I recall it being marked "U.S." as in military...

If I was walking down the street dragging the case of a standing bass fiddle, what would one assume is in the thing? A BABY? A TOASTER? I will venture to guess that 100% of people would assume there was a standing bass fiddle in there. Is a full flap holster the same thing? I believe yes, because I would think 100% of the people would guess a GUN was inside that holster.

Even if found out later it was not a gun but a baby or toaster under that flap, for all practical purposes, he was openly carrying a handgun...

Back to the regularly scheduled thread, I guess I don't look or am not as observant as I should be, but I've yet to spot an open carrier.

My wife thinks I'm the only one in the state of Ohio who carries a handgun...
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