Werz wrote:Chuck wrote:
Lawyer word games. I believe I made myself clear on what I am looking for.
Nevertheless, how did this guy make things worse?
Really, Chuck? Really?!
I quoted
your words. I was answering
your question. Where's the word game?
Yes really
The word game is in your selective quoting of my admittedly poor word smithing in my OP, ignoring my closing sentence, and also ignoring my clarification post at the top of page two.
Lawyerly tricks, word games
People like Leonard Embody and Kory Watkins and their ilk demean us and our cause. They affect how we are perceived by the courts which judge us, the general public (i.e., voters), and the establishments with which we engage in commerce. Are you implying that has nothing to do with who is elected to the legislature and how they vote?
I'm not implying anything
I'm saying flat out that the constant insulting from those who think others of us aren't good enough to advocate is doing our cause harm
More harm than the antis do, and certainly more harm than we Open Carriers do
In 1995, Senate Bill 68 - a "may issue" licensed concealed carry bill - was passed in the Ohio Senate by a super-majority. It was then beaten down by a Republican governor (Voinovich from Cleveland) and a Republican Speaker of the House (Davidson from Columbus) who knew it would not play well in the urban areas where they originated. It took us nine more years to get licensed concealed carry in the State of Ohio. We passed a state-wide preemption law in 2006 (R.C. 9.68), and it took four more years for the Ohio Supreme Court to force compliance on the City of Cleveland, and that city has just proved that it is still willing to defy that law.
Yep, and who gets the blame for that delay?
The fact is, these things take time, and blaming that time on activists is counter productive
The law progresses slowly. Actions have consequences, but those consequences are not always seen immediately.
We are making progress, steadily, constantly, and consistently
And despite the predictions that we are making things worse, the cause of increased gun rights in Ohio continues to improve.
And at a much faster pace than the example quoted above
IOW, the point of this thread is to call for unity
This never ending bickering, mocking, and ridiculing is just as bad, if not worse, than whatever harm some may think we are causing
It's like this:
The antis aren't smart enough to come up with their own persuasive arguments, but the do-gooders are only too happy to provide some for them.
Just in case the antis haven't picked up on old tape face yet, let's post it a few more times with some scathing comments.
Lets do away with "perspective" and deal with reality
And that reality is that we are THIS CLOSE, to having restrictions lifted completely on transporting a gun in a car
And it's highly likely that someone like me will be in a position to tell someone who votes on such things, "it's not a big deal, the way the law is now you can put your gun in a freezer bag, so why not just let them stick it in the glove box? It's not that big of a change"
Isn't that how we're eating this elephant, one bite at a time?
What's wrong with enjoying each bite?
I assure you that once it is legal for everyone to have a gun in the car, like Georgia for example, no one will care if someone puts it in a freezer bag
A team has many players, playing different positions. Having different jobs, doing what they do best
Evan Price has a tag line in his sig:
"Striking down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!"
We should all practice that, and do what we do best
If that is calling attention to all the freedom we have, do it
If it is running a web site for the cause, do that, etc, etc, etc
I have asked when did it happen and the answer is basically "never"
With the exception of a left coast screw up or two, gun rights are on the march and making some serious progress
So let us bury the hatchet, let us stop eating our own, and let us start showing some teamwork, and let us win this thing, together
Ain't that a good idea?