Raising awareness and prompting discussion

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dan dan the XD40 man wrote:
And the trap shooter guys dont think anyone needs an AR15, and cowboy shooters dont think anyone needs a Glock, etc etc...

People want their own little "segment" protected, and are willing to sell out EVERYTHING else if it means they themselves arent affected.

Gross.
We have so many good, thoughtful folks participating in this thread that I keep coming back to it with more to say myself. Dan you reminded me of something interesting about cowboy action shooting, right on point with your post. The national organization for the sport, the Single Action Shooting Society, was founded and headquartered in California for many years. When the state started their assault weapon ban laws, SASS actually hired a full-time lobbyist to represent them in Sacramento and to a lesser extent, Washington D.C. Very expensive, but the lobbyist was a former California Assembly member himself, and avid shooter. At one point the Assembly was about to add lever action rifles because some hold more than ten rounds in their tubes. The lobbyist sounded the alarm to cowboy shooters statewide, much ruckus was raised, and the rifles were exempted for the time being. (They may have added them later on, not sure.)

The lobbyist knew that it would have been impossible to get the whole bill killed, he did the best he could.

After some more nebulous anti-gun action on the part of the state's lawmakers, SASS moved their headquarters, and the gigantic World Championship Matches to New Mexico in response. Several of the organization's big wigs sold their houses and moved east too. So did several long time native California shooters. That may sound like a small gesture, but thousands of people attended those events as participants, vendors, and spectators, coming from all over the U.S. and a dozen other nations. The move cost that part of southern California at least a few million dollars annually.

On a smaller scale here in our state, the Ohio Gun Collectors' Association moved their six annual meetings/shows out of Columbus several years ago, in response to the first assault weapon ban passed there. The city came to regret that loss of visitor revenue and tried desperately to get OGCA back, offering them a waiver of some kind. I was proud to see the organization tell Columbus to pound salt, more than once, in not-very-polite language, along the lines of 'Kill that ordinance entirely, or get bent!'

Several years later, of course, ORC 9.68 did that very thing, hopefully once and for all. Even so, I am told that the OGCA still hangs up when Columbus calls them.
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I wholeheartedly support power centers and like organizations hiring a competent lobbyist. I also support any pro-gun organization telling Columbus to pound salt. The NRA once looked at Columbus as a site for their annual convention, and the NRA was rebuffed by the city pols. Their loss in terms of revenue.
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Tweed Ring wrote:I wholeheartedly support power centers and like organizations hiring a competent lobbyist. I also support any pro-gun organization telling Columbus to pound salt. The NRA once looked at Columbus as a site for their annual convention, and the NRA was rebuffed by the city pols. Their loss in terms of revenue.
My recollection of that is that the annual meeting was scheduled in Columbus when the AW Ban was passed there and the NRA cancelled and moved the event. The Mayor tried to make it sound like it was no big deal, but it cost the city big bucks.
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:Texas and California are far different animals than Ohio.

Texas' constitution expressly allows for firearm regulation by laws, and California's constitution simply has no RKBA clause.

While I acknowledge the ability for the OGA to change both the state Constitution AND state law, I have to wonder about the differences in states like California and Texas when compared to a state like Ohio.
As could ours with nothing more than a simple majority vote.
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NavyChief wrote: As could ours with nothing more than a simple majority vote.
Well, 3/5 of the House and 3/5 of the Senate have to vote to get it on the ballot first, THEN it goes to the CITIZENS for a majority vote.

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/cons ... Section=01" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Yes, it could happen. No, I don't think it's likely.
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Brian D. wrote:Has such a thing ever happened in any of the other (56) U.S. states? Especially the end of carry license issuance in any state??
Yet another example of things going backwards (no not exactly what Brian asked, but still...):
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How easy it was for her to wave her wand and make this happen? The price of our freedoms is eternal vigilance. Always watch what the pols do, not what they say.
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
NavyChief wrote: As could ours with nothing more than a simple majority vote.
Well, 3/5 of the House and 3/5 of the Senate have to vote to get it on the ballot first, THEN it goes to the CITIZENS for a majority vote.

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/cons ... Section=01" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Yes, it could happen. No, I don't think it's likely.
You are forgetting a citizen sponsored amendment. http://www.sos.state.oh.us/LegnAndBallo ... dment.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

385,247 signatures on a petition then onto the ballot, no small feat but attainable with cash from Bloomberg. Just ask any of the owners of an Ohio casino.
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Takes a lot of signatures and approval of ballot language by the AG to get this before the voters. Much easier to pass a repeal through a non gun-friendly Liberal owned OGA.
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cashman966 wrote:You are forgetting a citizen sponsored amendment. http://www.sos.state.oh.us/LegnAndBallo ... dment.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

385,247 signatures on a petition then onto the ballot, no small feat but attainable with cash from Bloomberg. Just ask any of the owners of an Ohio casino.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. We are a simple majority vote from our Constitution being amended.

Personally, I'd love to see a Constitutional amendment that makes it far more difficult to amend it.
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From my observations, anything yes/no you put in front of todays uninformed breed of voters, will be voted Yes on.

NavyChief, just make sure you word the new amendment so that you would have to vote NO to get it passed lol.
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dan dan the XD40 man wrote:NavyChief, just make sure you word the new amendment so that you would have to vote NO to get it passed lol.
Yep - seen more that a couple of those.
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NavyChief wrote:
dan dan the XD40 man wrote:NavyChief, just make sure you word the new amendment so that you would have to vote NO to get it passed lol.
Yep - seen more that a couple of those.
I just re-read what I wrote and it doesnt make any sense lol.
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dan dan the XD40 man wrote:I just re-read what I wrote and it doesnt make any sense lol.
Each statement makes sense. Maybe just not together.
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dan dan the XD40 man wrote: I just re-read what I wrote and it doesnt make any sense lol.
I have days like that... :|
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