Lorain, Ohio Open Carrier Detained

Open Carry is carrying a firearm unconcealed in Ohio. OC does not require a concealed handgun license, but the practice requires intimate knowledge of the law since there are places and situations where OC is prohibited but carrying concealed would be permitted. OC is also likely to attract attention. This forum is for discussion of OC, not for debating the pro's and con's or coordinating any type of protest events.

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The answer is simple, while the lifting is hard. The answer: Find, fund and elect candidates who pledge to overturn Ohio's Collective Bargaining Law. it's doable - look to Wisconsin"
It's been demonstrated that solution works; that's how we regained our RKBA freedoms from the pols who wanted (did) to take them away. And we weren't even given the right to an arbitrator. Goes around, comes around, etc.
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Unless one is covered by the four corners of the labor agreement, one does not get an arbitrator.
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Tweed Ring wrote:Unless one is covered by the four corners of the labor agreement, one does not get an arbitrator.
USSC served that role in our RKBA case.
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There is a huge divide between labor contract administration and our Bill of Rights. Likewise, there is a similar divide between a labor arbitrator and the Chief Justice, and the Associate Justices, of the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Tweed Ring wrote:You're right about the teachers, and their unions. In the meetings I attended, the first responders were used as political props. Voters tend to like first responders more than teachers.
By the same token, we learned locally that if you want high school students picketing on Public Square, all it takes is for a few popular teachers to get their students motivated.
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We didn't have to deal with any students. Rather, we had firefighters waving their fire helmets to the crowd. This activity is clearly protected by the First Amendment and was good political theater. That's why I pressed the republicans I knew in the OGA to cut first responders out of the deal.

But, alas and alack, the pols in Cincinnati had momentum. I think the governor was dealt a bad hand by his own people. I doubt this will happen again; he has aspirations, which don't include angering, and then motivating the union folks.

In my area, firefighters are very popular, much more popular than police, teachers and nurses.
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Tweed Ring wrote:Collective bargaining in Ohio for public employees is driven by ORC 4117. Anytime one bargains collectively with public sector unions, one must be willing to engage in labor bargaining give-and-take. Thrust and parry, so to speak. Failure to bargain in good faith, or to reach an agreement, in whole or in part, pushes both sides to binding arbitration.

The decision of the arbitrator is final, and there is little appeal process, unless one can prove the arbitrator has been bribed.

Smart employers bring in a "hired gun" specialist in such negotiations. Most are lawyers. The good ones are very expensive. Then,., they are on call to testify as to the intent of certain contract provisions when grievances are filed.

Governor Celeste (D) and Speaker Verne Riffe (D) et.al were the authors of 4117. Perhaps this was a quid pro quo for labor political support. With increased unionization, there was clearly an increase of paid union duze. With more duze, there is more money to elect friendly pols.

Any accountability for those in public sector management can only be found in the electorate who voted in the pols who appointed these managers.
I have a hard time calling anybody who uses a labor union to negotiate their wages a "public servant"
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Chuck wrote:

I have a hard time calling anybody who uses a labor union to negotiate their wages a "public servant"
Amen brother.
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Read the AFL-CIO will spend 300 million to defeat a number of Republican governors in this election cycle. That money did not fall from the firmament - it came from duze.
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Tweed Ring wrote:Read the AFL-CIO will spend 300 million to defeat a number of Republican governors in this election cycle. That money did not fall from the firmament - it came from duze.
And dues come from paychecks and paychecks come from tax dollars,,,,
Ain't activism fun?

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From a politically tactical standpoint, it's a smart move.
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Chuck wrote:
Tweed Ring wrote:Read the AFL-CIO will spend 300 million to defeat a number of Republican governors in this election cycle. That money did not fall from the firmament - it came from duze.
And dues come from paychecks and paychecks come from tax dollars,,,,
And nothing better then negotiating your contract with someone you put in office across the table from you. :roll:
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Cruiser wrote:
Chuck wrote:
Tweed Ring wrote:Read the AFL-CIO will spend 300 million to defeat a number of Republican governors in this election cycle. That money did not fall from the firmament - it came from duze.
And dues come from paychecks and paychecks come from tax dollars,,,,
And nothing better then negotiating your contract with someone you put in office across the table from you. :roll:
"Quid pro quo".
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This thread has drifted significantly.
Please remain on topic.
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