"Thanks Idiots" re: Starbucks

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JediSkipdogg wrote: Heres the problem I have with long guns. Yes, I don't care how it's slung, but at some point you are going to touch that rifle to adjust it. If you are in a UDF and see someone at the counter put their hand on their holstered handgun what are you going to think? Now apply the same to a rifle?
Kevin, I mean this in the most polite manner possible, but...you are outdriving your headlights just a little bit there. Perhaps you need to take part in one of our OC gatherings that include long guns. This stuff can and has been done safely. At the U.C. campus walk we had one participant show up with no sling for his rifle/shotgun. After I explained the potential problems with that he and a friend cobbled together a workable sling, and they got back in time to join in all the fun. He was a newbie to such things, and afterwards thanked me for the patient calm advice I provided.

By the way I long ago lost count of how many times I've seen LEO's touch/adjust their holstered handguns while out and about. Even the very best carry gear shifts around some in the course of a day, sometimes in an uncomfortable manner. Not reasonable to expect that a bit of manipulation of the rig needs to wait until a cop, or other lawful carrier can go off to a secluded spot several feet/yards away, is it?
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!

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Brian D. wrote:
Bama.45 wrote:And if the shotgun is chambered, those are known for discharging if they hit the floor.
That is also possible with some rifles. Saw it done for demonstration purposes with an AR-15 many years ago at a firearms training class. Took a firm whack on the back of the butt stock, but it did go 'click' on the second or third try.

Now that you've said that I recall warnings of that in Bootcamp as a possibility... I know for a fact shotguns can discharge if dropped etc... My uncle shot a hole in his kitchen wall when a 12 ga fell off of his kitchen table.... Needless to say, my aunt wasn't too happy with him... She made him remodel the kitchen. :lol:
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Brian D. wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote: Heres the problem I have with long guns. Yes, I don't care how it's slung, but at some point you are going to touch that rifle to adjust it. If you are in a UDF and see someone at the counter put their hand on their holstered handgun what are you going to think? Now apply the same to a rifle?
Kevin, I mean this in the most polite manner possible, but...you are outdriving your headlights just a little bit there. Perhaps you need to take part in one of our OC gatherings that include long guns. This stuff can and has been done safely. At the U.C. campus walk we had one participant show up with no sling for his rifle/shotgun. After I explained the potential problems with that he and a friend cobbled together a workable sling, and they got back in time to join in all the fun. He was a newbie to such things, and afterwards thanked me for the patient calm advice I provided.

By the way I long ago lost count of how many times I've seen LEO's touch/adjust their holstered handguns while out and about. Even the very best carry gear shifts around some in the course of a day, sometimes in an uncomfortable manner. Not reasonable to expect that a bit of manipulation of the rig needs to wait until a cop, or other lawful carrier can go off to a secluded spot several feet/yards away, is it?
SO where do you store said weapons while you are eating? Oh.....
....like that you say? I could easily grab two of those if I were the guy in blue in the background. And what are you going to do? Use deadly force on a theft as I'm fleeing? You have a 50/50 shot of winning that one, those aren't odds I gamble with from a fleeing person. And assuming they are loaded (which IMO would be stupid to carry any firearm without it being loaded) then now I have a loaded weapon, grab and shoot. It could be done pretty easily.

And for adjusting a handgun, does anyone take it out of the holster and adjust it? I doubt it. If you do, a new holster is in order. Mine if it needs any adjusting, it's sliding the holster forward or back, I don't even have to touch the handgun to readjust my holster.

MWSY....well, walking around with a Glock 19 in your hand isn't a crime. So try that during the next walk and let me know how it goes. No holster, no rope, no duct tape, just loaded Glock and bare skin of your hand. Or do you prefer to only tape them to your head?

It's all in the image one portrays and also with how other lawful carriers will see you. Otherwise how do you know a criminal from not one? If you wait for them to point it at you, it's too late. If you see them reaching for it, that's the time to reach for yours. And then others will see that and what image does that portray?

Image, image, image....it's all key.
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JediSkipdogg wrote: Otherwise how do you know a criminal from not one?

Same line MDA uses.....
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dan dan the XD40 man wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote: Otherwise how do you know a criminal from not one?

Same line MDA uses.....
Problem is, we know a normal person that maintains proper gun control doesn't need to touch their gun. If they do, they need to contact you for a new holster that can properly secure it. Well, I would hope others know that.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:...

And for adjusting a handgun, does anyone take it out of the holster and adjust it? I doubt it. If you do, a new holster is in order. Mine if it needs any adjusting, it's sliding the holster forward or back, I don't even have to touch the handgun to readjust my holster.

MWSY....well, walking around with a Glock 19 in your hand isn't a crime. So try that during the next walk and let me know how it goes. No holster, no rope, no duct tape, just loaded Glock and bare skin of your hand. Or do you prefer to only tape them to your head?

It's all in the image one portrays and also with how other lawful carriers will see you. Otherwise how do you know a criminal from not one? If you wait for them to point it at you, it's too late. If you see them reaching for it, that's the time to reach for yours. And then others will see that and what image does that portray?

Image, image, image....it's all key.
WHO said anything about drawing your handgun to adjust it?

A long gun CANNOT be holstered (unless Dan Dan wants to get creative :) ) so it must be carried.

Even ME, the notorious TAPEFACE, agrees that a long gun should be slung.

The picture of the several long guns above is not a problem unless a CRIMINAL tries to steal one.

And yes, the safeties should be on.
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